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Dear All,

Is it really an issue with different card size (2nd print base game vs. 1st print expansion) in gameplay?

Does it really matter that everyone can guess which card is coming up due to different card size?

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The designer stated only H-Bombs would be 'noticeable' -- but I think perhaps if all the cards are sleeved in the same size card sleeve it will be even less noticeable. Not sure though, I do wish they weren't different sizes, but oh well.

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The H-Bombs actually sit out visible for first person to grab. They are on a board on display and not in any deck. What the issue is, is that the LD Plants are shuffled into the building deck so you can see them coming up (if not sleeved) on the top of that deck (they are 1/16th inch or so smaller then the 2nd edition cards). But all that does is give you a pick at the next 20 cost building - which really means nothing and effects game play not at all.

Obviously we wish the printer wouldn't have taken many liberties without our permission, but what we got is what we got at this point.

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Will there be a 2nd print run of the expansion with the new printer?

Which printer will be used for the next expansion?
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thomaslehner wrote:
Will there be a 2nd print run of the expansion with the new printer?

Which printer will be used for the next expansion?


The new printer is doing the expansion and since I'm sure they'll follow my specs since an incompetent company isn't in between me and them, they will be done to the right (original) size. The mistake is the larger cards by the current printer. The 3rd printing of the base game will be done by the new printer. So we don't really have any plans to make the expansion again with slightly larger cards. We plan to stick to the original smaller size.

Hope that makes sense. Again I think you're way over playing this and the 3rd printing my not be till late next year.

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In last Kickstarter, I bought the basegame and the expansions. In this case, will I receive all the cards at the same size?
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RPGShop wrote:
The H-Bombs actually sit out visible for first person to grab. They are on a board on display and not in any deck. What the issue is, is that the LD Plants are shuffled into the building deck so you can see them...


Ah, my mistake on the cards - I knew some were shuffled into the deck, I just forgot which ones!
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PauloSantoro wrote:
In last Kickstarter, I bought the basegame and the expansions. In this case, will I receive all the cards at the same size?


same question here ??
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Since the 2nd printing is all we got to send you, you get the larger sizes with that.

Since the Second Stage expansion is already at the printer with the right card sizes, there is nothing we can do there - they will be the smaller correct size.

The 3rd printing (if there is one late next year) will be the smaller size.

Sorry about that guys, the printer (and their publisher middle man we worked with) did whatever they felt like on several things without our permission. None of it should effect the game play though.

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RPGShop wrote:
Since the 2nd printing is all we got to send you, you get the larger sizes with that.

Since the Second Stage expansion is already at the printer with the right card sizes, there is nothing we can do there - they will be the smaller correct size.

The 3rd printing (if there is one late next year) will be the smaller size.

Sorry about that guys, the printer (and their publisher middle man we worked with) did whatever they felt like on several things without our permission. None of it should effect the game play though.

James


can we buy the correct cards from the 3rd printing then ??

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powerwis wrote:


can we buy the correct cards from the 3rd printing then ??



I have no idea at this point. But a few boxes are always damaged or opened for spare parts and so I'm sure we'll end up with a deck or 3 we could sell a few people who REALLY want them. I donno if there will be an extra run of the cards - but maybe, I'll see when the printer deals with the print run. It might be possible.

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RPGShop wrote:
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can we buy the correct cards from the 3rd printing then ??



I have no idea at this point. But a few boxes are always damaged or opened for spare parts and so I'm sure we'll end up with a deck or 3 we could sell a few people who REALLY want them. I donno if there will be an extra run of the cards - but maybe, I'll see when the printer deals with the print run. It might be possible.

James


thanks James !

you can already reserve me one of the spare deck as i really want them.
i can pay you now if you want ?
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powerwis wrote:

you can already reserve me one of the spare deck as i really want them.
i can pay you now if you want ?


No just nag me after we announce the 3rd printing in and I'll see if I can hook you up at that time. Of course that takes sales to sell out of the 2nd printing. So now you must help us sell them

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Will the second printings larger cards still fit on the spaces on the board?
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bbhalla wrote:
Will the second printings larger cards still fit on the spaces on the board?


Yes they fit just fine. Even sleeved.

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I'd be in for buying 3rd printing cards
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bboyafu wrote:
I'd be in for buying 3rd printing cards


Once I get them, I'm sure if you want to pay the shipping both ways we'll swap them out for you.

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RPGShop wrote:
bboyafu wrote:
I'd be in for buying 3rd printing cards


Once I get them, I'm sure if you want to pay the shipping both ways we'll swap them out for you.

James


Hi James, i haven't gotten my 2nd edition game yet, but when i do i'll see if it bothers me that the cards are of diff sizes. If t does can you hook me up too? I'd gladly pay for shipping :)

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I wouldn't have said it in public if it didn't apply to everyone. We'll swap them as long as you pay the shipping both ways.

But wait till we get the games in! LOL. I heard that a final production version of 2nd Stage arrived at one of my stores today, just was too busy to go get it since we were ending the Hegemonic kickstarter tonight (which funded 300%)!

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Thanks! I know it's still a long way till 3rd print :p i just want to cover my bases, as i'm a bit compulsive when it comes to my games
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RPGShop wrote:
bboyafu wrote:
I'd be in for buying 3rd printing cards


Once I get them, I'm sure if you want to pay the shipping both ways we'll swap them out for you.

James


I'll be willing to pay for shipping for sure, but wouldn't it just be one way? From you guys to me? Do we have to turn in our 2nd edition cards to get 3rd edition cards?
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bboyafu wrote:
[q="RPGShop"]
I'll be willing to pay for shipping for sure, but wouldn't it just be one way? From you guys to me? Do we have to turn in our 2nd edition cards to get 3rd edition cards?


I don't have EXTRA cards so I will need YOUR cards back to put in the box I have to open to get you the other cards. That opened box will then go to reviewers and store demos and such. But I do need the cards back in usuable condition.

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RPGShop wrote:
bboyafu wrote:
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I'll be willing to pay for shipping for sure, but wouldn't it just be one way? From you guys to me? Do we have to turn in our 2nd edition cards to get 3rd edition cards?


I don't have EXTRA cards so I will need YOUR cards back to put in the box I have to open to get you the other cards. That opened box will then go to reviewers and store demos and such. But I do need the cards back in usuable condition.

James


James, is this for everyone who wants to replace the 2nd ed. cards with the 3rd ed. cards ?
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does the 2nd Stage Expansion pre-order on the minion games store have the cards to replace the 1st edition misprints?
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