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A few years ago, I was introduced to Settlers of Catan, and played for about a year. Then I discovered Ticket to Ride, and played it, and no other games, for a year. Then 2012 was the year of Carcassonne. Now I'm looking for a new game. What recommendations do you have for me?

I was considering Elfenland or Smallworld or Stone Age.

A few criteria: it must be at least a 3 player game- no 2-player games.

The rules can't be too complex or confusing. Is Dominion tricky to learn, especially for any of my friends who aren't big gamers?

No party games or word games.

I'd really like to find another great euro-game with a fair bit of strategy. Some elements of luck are ok, as long as it doesn't dominate the game.

Thanks for the help!
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I think that Dominion and Small World would both be really good bets. Small World is probably easier to learn. I don't think that Dominion is all that hard to learn with respect to mechanics, but it is more difficult to master strategy.

Also, perhaps Puerto Rico?
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Oh also! If you have a bigger group, maybe VivaJava. I found it a really quick learn even with no one having played it. Better with a group of 6 or 8 though.
 
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Small World fell flat for me. I see the appeal, but the constantly shifting characters, rise and fall, repeat, didn't excite me. There was no sense of permanence. Character creatures were just throw-aways.

Stone Age is a great game for 2-4 players. It's usually the first worker placement I introduce before anything else. I can't think of a group (family, friends, unknown gamers) who hasn't taken to it. The components are top notch and the artwork is beautiful.

Don't know Elfenland.

Have you looked at Survive: Escape From Atlantis? Perhaps to much randomness and "Gotchaya" but this is now my go-to game for nongamers. Every non-gamer I've introduced this to has loved it. I've bought 6 copies this year (one for me, five for gifts).
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Plenty of stuff

Dominion
Stone Age
Age of Empires III
Wiz-War
Tikal
7 Wonders
Flash Point: Fire Rescue
Pandemic
Glory to Rome
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Stone Age
 
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I agree with the Stone Age suggestion, even though I don't care for the game anymore. I think Dominion is another solid choice.
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Plus one for Stone Age.
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I will also suggest Stone Age as well as Alhambra(I wouldn't call Alhambra more complex than the ones you mentioned, and I would probably call it easier actually, but it plays quite differently from the others and non gamers love it!).
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I would say;
-Pandemic, great cooperative game, everybody vs the game.
-King of Tokyo, quick fun game. With a great yahtzee mechanic to it.
-Fleet, awsome auction and card management game. Best with 4
-Survive: Escape from Atlantis!, fun memory/ backstabbing/ screwage game.
-And YES Small World, small world nails it for myself and many o my friends. With the area control aspect of the game while having random race/special powers. Every game will be different. When to attack, camp out, run away, kill your guys off (go in decline) to get a new race. Lots of fun lots of replay ability.
-Lords of Waterdeep or Stone Age, for a first worker placement game. Two very solid games.

I feel all of these game are high with replay value. That's just me though.
 
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You are ready for Caylus.
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Dave those games you list sound like a similar journey I took myself (except I did it alot faster than a game a year). I too have friends that aren't gamers and also have young children so my 1st games weren't too complex but had to be fun.

Stone Age was my 1st purchase into the next level of gaming and it's one of my favourite, the components are awesome and it fits the bill perfectly with strategy and some luck but that doesnt dominate the game. It's an awesome game but probably a step up in complexity to the ones you've played.

Dominion was also an early purchase for me and it's really very simple, that's probably one of the pluses to it in showing a game to newbies, Very basic steps to take easy to learn, there is strategy in the cards you buy during the game but the same process happens every turn and really the only complextity is understanding the cards you use for the game.

I got small world too but for me that one comes 3rd in the pecking order, again fairly simple to play, easy to teach and fun. Don't get me wrong it's still worthy of having in your collection (they all are but if u are only getting one at a time) it be between dominion and stone age for me, Most people seem to like dominion over stone age so it will come down to your personal choice for me it's tight but after playing both a bit my cards and dice lay with stone age.

PS those 3 you have all won Spiel des Jahres (German for Game of the Year) Dominion won it as well so did elfenland, that award is by no means the be all and end all, as some of those that have won for me wouldn't even make it into my collection but alot of that have won are really good, like I said will come down to personal choice but you are definately on the right track so far
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Castle Panic is also really good.

Stone Age is good, but also seriously consider Fresco or Lords of Waterdeep for worker placement games.
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benevolentweasl wrote:
Castle Panic is also really good.

Stone Age is good, but also seriously consider Fresco or Lords of Waterdeep for worker placement games.


I do like Castle Panic as well. However after a few plays it feel flat for me. But after getting, Castle Panic: The Wizard's Tower exspanstion, it's a game I like to get to the table again.
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whompy wrote:

I'd really like to find another great euro-game with a fair bit of strategy. Some elements of luck are ok, as long as it doesn't dominate the game.


I like Stone Age a lot, however how well you roll can have an effect on the outcome of the game...not always, but it can. That said, still a solid game, plays with 2+, and is relatively light on rules.

Another game I would propose that doesn't get a lot of love here on BGG, but is a favorite of our family is Vegas Showdown. Plays up to 5, there is a little randomness in the order of the cards and tiles, but not terrible or really all that game changing, and again light on rules.

Last, I would suggest Lords of Waterdeep. It is a worker placement game, which it doesn't seem you have done much of yet (although Stone Age would fill this role, however these games play very differently). This is my family's favorite game mechanic. Again, relatively light on luck/randomness, plays up to 5, and is not rules heavy.

Good luck with your decision!

~Brad
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Survive: Escape from Atlantis!, quick fun game. With a great Yahtzee mechanic to it. Yahtzee? Am I missing something in the game?
 
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Thanks for your suggestions and insight, everyone! I will have to do a little research into some of these games that I've never heard of. I appreciate it!
 
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charlest wrote:
Plenty of stuff

Dominion
Stone Age
Age of Empires III
Wiz-War
Tikal
7 Wonders
Flash Point: Fire Rescue
Pandemic
Glory to Rome


Lots of goodness there in this post.

Co-ops work well at your stage.
Flash point and pandemic are both great games.

7wonders looks to be a natural fit.

Dominion is probably the direction I went a fe year back.

Wiz war is good fun if your group leans toward that fantasy theme.


I'll add Saboteur great fun or lots of folks and with the expansion it only gets better.


Bohnanza would be another choice on the light side.
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My new intro game is Lords of Vegas. It plays 2 to 4, and while it has a lot of luck, it fits well.
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PANDEMIC!
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Egizia, Kingdom Builder, or Stone Age are the first three to come to mind...
 
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I'd say go with Dominion as the next step but if you want to get into worker placement i'd pick The Pillars of the Earth over Stone Age myself
 
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Some of these have been mentioned before, but regardless...

Dominion
Pandemic
Alhambra (I recommend the Big Box - it comes with lots of expansions, and the expansions are not in print anymore stand-alone)
7 Wonders
Fresco


If you're looking to step up in complexity & depth a little bit:

Agricola
Battlestar Galactica
Arkham Horror
Princes of Florence
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+1 to Stone Age. I personally don't like it but many do. I actually think Catan has deeper strategy than Stone Age. I am unsure if it has a year's replayability. Then again, I don't like Carcassonne either

+1 to Lords of Waterdeep. Never played it but based off everything I've seen, it's perfect for what you want. A quick playing meat and potatoes worker placement.

Finally, if you want a game with tons of depth and light rules and lots of fun, have a look at Hansa Teutonica. Actually, don't have a look at it. It looks dull as dirt. But the gameplay is genius... as the game goes on, you unlock more and more actions and abilities. Interactive but anything you do to hurt another player, they actually get pretty awesome compensation out of it. HT is a gamers game that you and your non-gaming friends can easily play for a year. Heck, years.

Few say it better than Mr. Vasel, so I recommend watching this video review: http://boardgamegeek.com/video/830/hansa-teutonica/video-rev...
 
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