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August Larson
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Shogun and Eclipse are both tremendous games, IMO. However, for their length, they don't/won't get much table time. I really enjoy the economic aspects of both games, though they operate differently. I like the area control aspects, and the exploration of Eclipse is a lot of fun for me. I like the minimized combat in Shogun. The combat in Eclipse is fun too, and I like that there's only as much emphasis on combat as you want to have.

Are there any games that are like either of these two but play in up to 2 hours?
 
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Exodus: Proxima Centauri.

Your first play through won't be 2 hours (especially if it is a big group), but you could probably do a 4-player game in that length of time once everyone knows the game. It does place a heavier focus on combat than Eclipse does (though combat is simpler), and doesn't have the exploration aspect, but has all the other 4X stuff you could want.
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El Grande has the area control aspect, but it lacks the economic and combat aspects of the other games you mentioned. I really enjoy it and it can be played in under 2 hours. I have expansions for it but I have not played them yet. I'm not sure how much they add to the base game.

Imperial has area control, economy, and combat and it's a really good game. I have never played it with a large group, but I suspect the games could run pretty long with a large group. With a smaller group, you might be able to squeeze in a game in under 2 hours.

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I prefer imperial and Cyclades over shogun so you should really look at these 2. I'm waiting on eclipse to get to my home can't wait
 
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