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Former Washington Post Pentagon Correspondent Tom Ricks had a great little spat with Fox News anchor Jon Scott.

When asked about the potential political fallout from Benghazi, Ricks argued that now that election is over, with Fox News no longer hyping the story as much, the GOP will probably gradually lose their interest in fighting over the nomination of Susan Rice. Calling Fox News "a wing of the Republican Party", Ricks certainly poked his finger in the eye of news service which tries to present itself as 'fair and balanced'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/ricks-f...

Rick's eventually apologized for being cranky but not for calling the situation as he sees it- namely, that losses in our embassies is part of the current landscape of how we do diplomacy anymore, and that Fox News and the GOP have been harping on Benghazi specifically in order to score political points, when hundreds of American contractors died in Iraq and no one cared.

Of course, this kerfluffle begs the real question that could be asked during the confirmation process of Susan Rice- do we really need to be so in the weeds, as it were, in the diplomacy of other nations where security is a very real concern, that the safety of the lives of staffers is an ongoing issue? Or is this simply the cost of diplomacy in the 21st century, and as a nation we should acknowledge and thank those who are willing to risk their lives to be our representatives abroad?

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I'm off to buy Rick's latest book "The Generals", where he argues that one of our biggest problems in National Security is that we don't fire generals when they screw up anymore.

Great stuff.

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So MSNBC called up Ricks, after they heard how he dissed Fox News.

He told them-
"Naw- You're just like Fox, just not as good."

*LOL*

There's a classic bit on YouTube where he just shut down Olbermann one time. Great stuff.

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Actually Fox claimed he apologized, but he denied it. Fox also cut the segment in half when it was clear that the interviewer might have to defend the histrionic propaganda of his party... opps I meant his network (of lies and misinformation).

http://www.upi.com/blog/2012/11/28/Tom-Ricks-to-Fox-Thats-ho...



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The price of (your style of freedom) is eternal danger. If you do things that piss people off, they get pissed off. Turning round and saying "but we are allowed to" won't dampen down the anger.

 
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You probably know that The Atlantic has a condensed version of Ricks' book.
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Darilian wrote:

I'm off to buy Rick's latest book "The Generals", where he argues that one of our biggest problems in National Security is that we don't fire generals when they screw up anymore.


As compared to which era?

Loved FIASCO, THE GAMBLE and occasionally read Ricks' blog. Trust his latest book is also a fascinating read.
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WWII, according to Ricks.

His argument is that starting with Korea, US Presidents have increasingly not held commanding generals accountable for their failures.

Haven't read the book yet though, just read the article in the Atlantic that Joshbot linked to in this thread.

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LeeDambis wrote:
Combat fatigue was still a controversial issue in 1943


Of course under the name shell shock it was well known from WWI. It just seems to have taken more than 25 years for the idea to sink in. Though not with everyone, he was suspended.
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He's retired now, so I guess he's not fully a "modern" general, but Norman Schwarzkopf comes to mind. The way he played the media (and hence the Iraqis) with his "amphibious assault" plan was pretty genius.
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Hitler was either exceedingly lucky or an astute judge of enemy intentions and will to fight.


Fortunately with a major misjudgement in 1940.
 
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LeeDambis wrote:
Dearlove wrote:
LeeDambis wrote:
Hitler was either exceedingly lucky or an astute judge of enemy intentions and will to fight.


Fortunately with a major misjudgement in 1940.

I think his judgement was just fine in 1940 (attack France through the Ardennes, don't invade Great Britain).


The quote was about judgement of will to fight, so Ardennes et al is completely irrelevant. And he clearly got it wrong about the UK.
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chaendlmaier wrote:
"I fired him because he wouldn't respect the authority of the president. That's the answer to that. I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that's not against the law for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail."

- Harry S. Truman on Douglas MacArthur

You'll find plenty of criticism on both Patton and MacArthur. But history's written by the victors and people always crave for heroes, so that's the public impression of these two today and that's also why today's generals are seen as inferior to them. But the US army isn't facing Bastognes or Inchons any more; if it was you'd soon see a new flock of heroic generals dragging the army out of the shit, others or themselves drove it into.


Rommel has always had a very good reputation despite being on the losing side.
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I've read that many russian peasants would have been just fine with the Germans because they were treated so badly by their own leaders.

But then the germans went about killing them and their attitude shifted.
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