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X Shrike
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"Players can only negotiate during their round
(Phase 5: Actions), during the resolution of a crisis, and
when determining the order of play."

What about during Turn(phase) 6: Evolution card purchase?

I have only played this once and was teaching a group that never played this as well. At one point one of the players wanted one of the other players to turn a card so it would be cheaper for him. He offered compensation in return.

I know the rules read that you can't but, once you let the negotiation monster out of the bag it is hard to put it back. I told them the rules say you can't negotiate here so the players response was, "Well if he happens to turn that card I will be inclined to give him a gift."
 
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Sounds against the rules to me, but what you do with that in your group is up to you

EDIT: That said, rules like "Players can only negotiate during their round" are pretty ambiguous, since for most definitions of "negotiate", that's impossible. If I'm negotiating during my round, then almost certainly someone else is also negotiating during my round.
 
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I am curious as to why the rules forbid negotiating during evolution card purchase, as it seems reasonable to do so.
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jhagen1908 wrote:
I am curious as to why the rules forbid negotiating during evolution card purchase, as it seems reasonable to do so.

Likely for game flow. If every decision is open for negotiation, the game could drag on for some time.
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Well, that is just ridiculous.

I can negotiate in EVERY game! I can negotiate in Puerto Rico as well as in Agricola. Sure, I'm not allowed to "gift" ressources in every game; but you can still negotiate in auctions ("If you take A, then I won't raise the bid, if you leave me B...") or you can negotiate about not taking certain spaces and in return letting spaces open for the other player - and so on.

So either you negotiate - or you don't. What will you do? Enforce a Silence on the table?? ^^
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Almecho wrote:
Well, that is just ridiculous.

I can negotiate in EVERY game! I can negotiate in Puerto Rico as well as in Agricola. Sure, I'm not allowed to "gift" ressources in every game; but you can still negotiate in auctions ("If you take A, then I won't raise the bid, if you leave me B...") or you can negotiate about not taking certain spaces and in return letting spaces open for the other player - and so on.

So either you negotiate - or you don't. What will you do? Enforce a Silence on the table?? ^^


Yes.
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I would of course accept négociations at all times, and particularly in the situation you're explaining.
The negociations limitations given in the game rules are just a minimum authorized for those who want to speed up the game. Sometimes, with certain people very loooooooonnnnnnngggg to take their decisions, it might be better to put some limits or try to speed them up.
But as somebody clearly mentionned, you have to adjust the game to your gaming groups of course.
I have always played games with unrestricted negociations, and even if some games were slowed down it was for the greater of it because all those tense negociations were great fun !
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Chris Boelinger wrote:
I would of course accept négociations at all times, and particularly in the situation you're explaining.
The negociations limitations given in the game rules are just a minimum authorized for those who want to speed up the game. Sometimes, with certain people very loooooooonnnnnnngggg to take their decisions, it might be better to put some limits or try to speed them up.
But as somebody clearly mentionned, you have to adjust the game to your gaming groups of course.
I have always played games with unrestricted negociations, and even if some games were slowed down it was for the greater of it because all those tense negociations were great fun !


Thank you for the clarification and insight.
 
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