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In news that is both good and bad for conservatives, researchers in the UK have been able to create stem cells from human blood, possibly helping to steer the field farther from human embryo sources. The bad news is, the UK has socialized medicine, how did they ever discover anything without a profit motive?

Oops, the link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20539835
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TheChin! wrote:
The bad news is, the UK has socialized medicine, how did they ever discover anything without a profit motive?


Maybe much the same way the US often does: the government helps (if not entirely) fund research? Example: AIDS research isn't really done in the US by private companies anymore because there's no way to recover the costs, but the US government has invested large amounts of resources (as have private nonprofits) because the need and benefit to human health is so great.
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TheChin! wrote:
how did they ever discover anything without a profit motive?


Same way as M Curie. Accidentally.

And possibly fatal.
 
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Well, I hope it ends up being a good thing and that we can do a lot of great research with it.
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Well, I hope it ends up being a good thing and that we can do a lot of great research with it.


I have to say that stem cell research, to me, is one of the most important areas of human research going on today. The possibilities are mind-boggling and even a bit scary.
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TheChin! wrote:
Jythier wrote:
Well, I hope it ends up being a good thing and that we can do a lot of great research with it.


I have to say that stem cell research, to me, is one of the most important areas of human research going on today. The possibilities are mind-boggling and even a bit scary.


I agree, working with humane cells is a huge pain in the ass though...I'm working on humane cell research, checking effects of certain bio inhibitors on various cancerous cell lines...

And although I KNOW that my current research is alot more important, I miss my easy peasy yeasts
 
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TheChin! wrote:
Jythier wrote:
Well, I hope it ends up being a good thing and that we can do a lot of great research with it.


I have to say that stem cell research, to me, is one of the most important areas of human research going on today. The possibilities are mind-boggling and even a bit scary.


I think being able to secure stem cells from a source that replenishes (I think these cells would replenish) that is also part of the person who needs the new... whatever... is huge. Hopefully this is a much-needed breakthrough on the way to better health care for everyone. Not having to wait for a transplant would be huge - having to wait for your own cells to grow one instead, well, then it's on you, isn't it?
 
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Jythier wrote:
Well, I hope it ends up being a good thing and that we can do a lot of great research with it.


I have to say that stem cell research, to me, is one of the most important areas of human research going on today. The possibilities are mind-boggling and even a bit scary.


I agree, working with humane cells is a huge pain in the ass though...I'm working on humane cell research, checking effects of certain bio inhibitors on various cancerous cell lines...

And although I KNOW that my current research is alot more important, I miss my easy peasy yeasts


Why is it a PITA?
 
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1) Reagents cost alot more (Cell lines themselves, media, specialized equipment)
2) Work standards have to be WAY higher, the cells go bad if you look at them wrong.
3) They split alot slower than microbes and yeasts, approx. X2 per ~20 hours, so if you fuck something up, you lose a lot of work hours and of course the previously mentioned expensive reagents.

For example, a single small bottle of a reagent was somehow contaminated 2 months ago.
The cells started to go bad, but they didn't do it at once.
Several times, I started a series of an experiment, just to find that 4 days later, all m y cells were dead for no reason.
I had to retest all my media, I can't just throw them away because they are expensive, and that took me 2 weeks. In total, I lost almost a month of work.

Yesterday, I was really tired, and mislabeled a petri dish, which lead to the wrong test reagent inserted there. When I discovered that, I had no way to fix that, and had to throw this experiment away.
2.5 days of work, gone.
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TheChin! wrote:
In news that is both good and bad for conservatives, researchers in the UK have been able to create stem cells from human blood, possibly helping to steer the field farther from human embryo sources. The bad news is, the UK has socialized medicine, how did they ever discover anything without a profit motive?

Oops, the link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20539835


We're all (or at least the wealthy folk are) totally gonna be vampires in like 20, 25 years tops.
 
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Adult stem cells are the eventual goal; embryonic stem cells are largely—if not completely—a steppingstone toward that goal. (If you want to grow, say, a new leg for a patient, you'll want to start from that patient's own cells, to avoid transplant rejection.)

[I was going to make a joke about humane stem cells vs. cruel stem cells, but never mind.]
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the person who needs the new... whatever... is huge.


Put me on the list for a new huge..."whatever." I'm 62 and I've been using mine recreationally for 47 years. It's due for replacement.
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the person who needs the new... whatever... is huge.


Put me on the list for a new huge..."whatever." I'm 62 and I've been using mine recreationally for 47 years. It's due for replacement.


That's probably the first thing they'll work on. Start with small things and work their way up.
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Jythier wrote:
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the person who needs the new... whatever... is huge.


Put me on the list for a new huge..."whatever." I'm 62 and I've been using mine recreationally for 47 years. It's due for replacement.


That's probably the first thing they'll work on. Start with small things and work their way up.

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Coolhanded88 wrote:
TheChin! wrote:
In news that is both good and bad for conservatives, researchers in the UK have been able to create stem cells from human blood, possibly helping to steer the field farther from human embryo sources. The bad news is, the UK has socialized medicine, how did they ever discover anything without a profit motive?

Oops, the link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20539835


We're all (or at least the wealthy folk are) totally gonna be vampires in like 20, 25 years tops.


Sparkly ones?
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Jythier wrote:
scribidinus wrote:
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the person who needs the new... whatever... is huge.


Put me on the list for a new huge..."whatever." I'm 62 and I've been using mine recreationally for 47 years. It's due for replacement.


That's probably the first thing they'll work on. Start with small things and work their way up.


In Vaudeville, they used to say comedians are a dime a dozen but if you got a good straight man you had an act. Btw, Abbot and Costello split the dough 60/40. Just thank me for our success and be happy with your 40%.


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chaendlmaier wrote:
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Put me on the list for a new huge..."whatever." I'm 62 and I've been using mine recreationally for 47 years. It's due for replacement.

15? Isn't that a rather late age to start masturbating?


That isn't recreational use though, it's important research.
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Murka wrote:
1) Reagents cost alot more (Cell lines themselves, media, specialized equipment)


What does "media" mean?
 
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echoota wrote:
Murka wrote:
1) Reagents cost alot more (Cell lines themselves, media, specialized equipment)


What does "media" mean?


Media is the plural form of Medium:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_medium
 
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xilan wrote:
TheChin! wrote:
The bad news is, the UK has socialized medicine, how did they ever discover anything without a profit motive?


Maybe much the same way the US often does: the government helps (if not entirely) fund research?


Government, typically via research councils into universities is one route. Charities is another, IIRC the Wellcome Foundation hands out an amount that is a significant fraction of what the Medical Research Council hands out. And in those areas where pharmaceutical companies do fund work, the UK has one of the largest such sectors in the world.
 
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