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Now that people have had some time to take the FFG edition of the game through its paces, it would be interesting to see the current opinion on the STANDARD vs. CLASSIC versions.

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Which version of MoV in the FFG Edition do you prefer?
MoV veteran = I played the original MoV prior to the FFG release
New to MoV = My first MoV experience is the FFG edition
I am a MoV veteran and prefer to play the CLASSIC version
I am a MoV veteran and prefer to play the FFG STANDARD version
I am a MoV veteran and will play either version depending on my mood
I am new to MoV and prefer to play the CLASSIC version
I am new to MoV and prefer to play the FFG STANDARD version
I am new to MoV and will play either version depending on my mood
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If you enjoy the STANDARD version with some variants (such as inclusion of the DEMAND tokens, please select STANDARD and elaborate below).

Happy to keep the fires burning on this topic in discussion below. It's an interesting issue how to reconcile classic designs with more modern gaming sensibilities. This poll may give insight into how big a role nostalgia plays in formation of our preferences (I know I will forever treasure my Talisman 2nd edition).

I'm glad FFG did the best possible thing by giving us both versions to play!

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drasher25 wrote:
Now that people have had some time to take the FFG edition of the game through its paces, it would be interesting to see the current opinion on the STANDARD vs. CLASSIC versions.


I don't think I'm yet qualified to vote. I have two plays in on the original edition (pnp copy), and now two plays in on FFG standard with demand tokens.

I now want to try the FFG classic side noting some of the small changes from the original. Then I will make the call on which I like best.
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I'm playing both versions back to back tonight to see how it goes. I've never play MoV, so I'm very excited to give both a try!
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I'm playing both versions back to back tonight to see how it goes. I've never play MoV, so I'm very excited to give both a try!

We hope that YOU report back here, okay?
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No real surprises thus far. I would expect most of the classic veterans to prefer the classic game, especially given some of the points raised about balance with the new features. And for the noobs - well, the game has not been around long enough for most to have formed a preference one way or another. Doing this again in 6 months time might be much more interesting.
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AladdinSane wrote:
I'm playing both versions back to back tonight to see how it goes. I've never play MoV, so I'm very excited to give both a try!


Start brewing the coffee, it's going to be a long night.
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Heliconia wrote:
AladdinSane wrote:
I'm playing both versions back to back tonight to see how it goes. I've never play MoV, so I'm very excited to give both a try!


Start brewing the coffee, it's going to be a long night.


Indeed it was a long night. We had 2 players (my wife and me) and each game took about 3 hours.

We both agreed that we like the classic version better. It was a bit less fiddly and we liked the random encounters and Bonus Cup mechanic more. The standard game was good too. We liked the pilots and the missions from that. I think we will probably end up playing the classic game more, but are not opposed to the standard version. I'll be bringing this to our weekly game night and other gaming events, so we'll see how that changes with more players.

We both really loved and and it has now become my 3rd favorite game (behind BSG and Power Grid)!
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AladdinSane wrote:
We both really loved and and it has now become my 3rd favorite game ...

Which did you play first? (I shall assume Classic.)

Was both plays using the new FFG edition?
 
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Liumas wrote:
AladdinSane wrote:
We both really loved and and it has now become my 3rd favorite game ...

Which did you play first? (I shall assume Classic.)

Was both plays using the new FFG edition?


Yes, it was classic first and FFG edition for both.
 
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I feel qualified to weigh in on this myself now.

I think it is GREAT that FFG gave us both these games.

Classic is a simpler beast that I can enjoy it with my five year old. It's a really well done, enjoyable pickup and deliver game.

Standard reminds me more of a boardgame version of "elite" with the upgrades and missions. I love this one too, and am more likely to play this version with gamer friends.

THIS is the way to do a reissue of an older game. Give us the classic AND an update!

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AladdinSane wrote:
Heliconia wrote:
AladdinSane wrote:
I'm playing both versions back to back tonight to see how it goes. I've never play MoV, so I'm very excited to give both a try!


Start brewing the coffee, it's going to be a long night.


Indeed it was a long night. We had 2 players (my wife and me) and each game took about 3 hours.

We both agreed that we like the classic version better. It was a bit less fiddly and we liked the random encounters and Bonus Cup mechanic more. The standard game was good too. We liked the pilots and the missions from that. I think we will probably end up playing the classic game more, but are not opposed to the standard version. I'll be bringing this to our weekly game night and other gaming events, so we'll see how that changes with more players.

We both really loved and and it has now become my 3rd favorite game (behind BSG and Power Grid)!


Our feelings were similar after playing both the standard and classic. We like the missions and the pilot and ship upgrade systems from the standard version. We like the demands from the classic version, and my wife prefers no pirates. This is by someone who had a few plays of the 1st edition before playing the FFG version; the game was completely new to my wife.

In the end, I think we will probably end up playing a hybrid version and incorporating things from both standard and classic.
 
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I definitely like to use the official demands variant for the standard edition.
 
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drasher25 wrote:
I definitely like to use the official demands variant for the standard edition.



I have found that having the demand token coming out every turn works a little better then only on passenger turns. Other wise we usually end up with one play being in the area to take advantage of the demand, have more tokens out evens this out.
 
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I recant most of what I said above. The Standard version was a big flop with my gaming group. We found all the added mechanisms to be ponderous and ultimately not have much impact except subtracting from the fun. MoV is, in my opinion, best in its simpler Classic incarnation.
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I am starting to come full circle on this. I spent some more time with the "Standard" Game in solo mode. I think the issue here is that the Reimagined Game (a more appropriate moniker for the Standard version) is a very distinct experience from the Classic Game.

In the Reimagined game, you can't just hurl yourself into the void. You need to stick to the sectors of space you can handle until you get your ship prepared. You need to grind for a while. It is much more Warcraft (or Elite) than just pickup and deliver. If you go into it expecting an expanded version of the Classic game, you'll be disappointed, as I was. However, if the versions are approached as entirely different games, they can each be appreciated in their own right.
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I tried both versions and first thought the standard version was the better one. After i tried the classic version and saw the Dathkadan spaceship expansion (within the Avalon Hill MoV section) https://boardgamegeek.com/image/628418/merchant-venus?size=l... i printed & played the 8 spaceship types. So my conclusion is today: i always will fly the Classic ships. ;) And with a variant, you can still use some tiles & chits from the Std.Vers. in your classic Merchant of Venus.
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