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http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/8091836113147429...

a) It's just about NSFW.
b) Do we really need to make boardgaming more of a sausage-fest than it already is?
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I'll second the motion on both points. Hard to convince others to get interested in the hobby with these adds popping up.
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ericlosiewicz wrote:
I'll second the motion on both points. Hard to convince others to get interested in the hobby with these adds popping up.

I realize there are perhaps those that disagree, but I didn't think the ads were a big deal, so I allowed them to run. The campaign wraps up in about 5 hours, so just about done.

I'll take user feedback from this campaign into consideration for future campaigns on BGG.

Amusingly, these ads set a record for clickthrough rate for any campaign on BGG...
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I actually find the ads very useful and have discovered many amazing games through them that I probably wouldn't have run across otherwise. I like the ads, but seeing the Damsels ad has given me second thoughts about letting my grandson browse the site.

He's too young to post or have his own account, but he is a budding gamer and loves the site. I strictly monitor his browsing on BGG to keep him away from adult topics, but the Damsels ad appears on the front page.shake

I hope that BGG will consider that this is a family site before allowing sexually explicit ads in the future.
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I'll add my voice that I would prefer that this ad or those like it not appear on BGG -- a presumably family-friendly site. It's not just the picture on the ad itself, but the content when you click through the ad. Disclaimer: It doesn't really affect me personally, since I block the ads. It's more about the kind of site I want BGG to be. Just like (yes, to exaggerate), I don't want strip clubs in my neighborhood. There is a permeating effect, even if one doesn't personally participate. I send links to family/friends, for example, mentioning games I like. And they won't block ads. I'd prefer that they don't see that ad and think that's what BGG (and by extension boardgamers) is about.
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Tempest. Teapot. Typical.
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Tempest. Teapot. Typical.

Totally! With unmeasured, over-the-top outrage like "I'll second the motion" and "I hope BGG will consider" and "I'd like to add my voice that I would prefer"--these people are kuhrayyzee!!
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I mean . . . a little googling will show anyone how to get an adblocker if you're offended/worried about family members/ uptight about whatever.

So the complaint is . . . what? You just want cake, want to eat it too, and then want to get offended that it's the wrong kind of cake so want more cake?

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A warrior lady, showing no offensive body parts, is offensive?

I mean, there are women at the beach showing way more, with way worse bodies! soblue
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curtc wrote:
I'll add my voice that I would prefer that this ad or those like it not appear on BGG -- a presumably family-friendly site. It's not just the picture on the ad itself, but the content when you click through the ad. Disclaimer: It doesn't really affect me personally, since I block the ads. It's more about the kind of site I want BGG to be. Just like (yes, to exaggerate), I don't want strip clubs in my neighborhood. There is a permeating effect, even if one doesn't personally participate. I send links to family/friends, for example, mentioning games I like. And they won't block ads. I'd prefer that they don't see that ad and think that's what BGG (and by extension boardgamers) is about.


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scifiantihero wrote:
I mean . . . a little googling will show anyone how to get an adblocker if you're offended/worried about family members/ uptight about whatever.

So the complaint is . . . what?

Did you read my post?
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ericlosiewicz wrote:
I'll second the motion on both points. Hard to convince others to get interested in the hobby with these adds popping up.

I realize there are perhaps those that disagree, but I didn't think the ads were a big deal, so I allowed them to run. The campaign wraps up in about 5 hours, so just about done.

I'll take user feedback from this campaign into consideration for future campaigns on BGG.

Amusingly, these ads set a record for clickthrough rate for any campaign on BGG...


Maybe amusingly but not surprisingly, as it has long been a truism (the oldest truism?) that "sex sells".

Personally it doesn't bother me, as it's like an old-school fantasy "pin-up" in the style of Boris Vellejo etc. I could see the NSFW aspect though.

The internet obsession with clickthrough rates (not saying this site necessarily but the internet in general) I find depressing, as it just leads to a general dumbing down of sites as they reach a lowest common denominator. This is why sites like CNN have such ridiculous stories sometimes so prominently featured, like which socialite stunk up an airplane... because they track clickthrough rates and figure people will want more of the same.
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I've gotten some shocked responses from my wife when she's looked over my shoulder while I'm reading BGG and those ads are up. While not profanity, I agree that they don't really fit with the vibe this site seems to want to present. I've actually read through the kickstarter page for Damsels (making sure not to click on the ad on your site because I don't want to promote this kind of crap) and was actually infinitely more disturbed after reading it than before. It's essentially miniature fantasy porn. I'm a young guy that has looked up his fair share of questionable material on the internet, but this is a product I was surprised Kickstarter even allowed. It's something that you would see on HBO's Real Sex, geeky sculptors making sexual explicit minis of overly attractive women in suggestively sexual poses and situations. One is even basically an overly chesty researcher who looks like she is about to be sexually assaulted by a mummy. I came away from that Kickstarter page fairly disturbed at how many people are backing it. I would put this product on par with Tentacle Bento.
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Geek Scribe wrote:
It's essentially miniature fantasy porn.


Calling it flat-out "porn" is a bit extreme, it's more SF/Fantasy erotica on the same level as for example Heavy Metal magazine (that is sold in mainstream bookstores, but, at the same time would be considered NSFW).
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aaaahahaha that picture is so awful
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Dialogue from the film Scrooged starring Bill Murray:

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"You can see her nipples!"
Frank Cross: "I want to see her nipples."
Censor Lady: "But this is a CHRISTMAS show!"
Frank Cross: "Well, I'm sure Charles Dickens would have wanted to see her nipples."
Carpenter Guy: "You can barely see them nipples."
Frank Cross: "You see? And these guys are REALLY looking!"
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Yup sex sells.

Need to start calling my maiden, my damsel. devil

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scifiantihero wrote:
I mean . . . a little googling will show anyone how to get an adblocker if you're offended/worried about family members/ uptight about whatever.

So the complaint is . . . what? You just want cake, want to eat it too, and then want to get offended that it's the wrong kind of cake so want more cake?

So your solution is to talk about 3rd party ad blockers, which the BGG admin team hates. Then block all ads to lower BGG revenue, instead of getting the offending ad removed and continuing to support BGG.

Your reasoning makes no sense.

The analogy is bad too.
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chaddyboy_2000 wrote:
ericlosiewicz wrote:
I'll second the motion on both points. Hard to convince others to get interested in the hobby with these adds popping up.

I realize there are perhaps those that disagree, but I didn't think the ads were a big deal, so I allowed them to run. The campaign wraps up in about 5 hours, so just about done.


It's rough, because I totally agree with you that I'm not that offended, I wouldn't be that freaked-out if my kids saw it... BUT, I would absolutely lose my head defending myself if people who didn't know me, saw me browsing that. "I don't really..." Whereas my family/kids know me, and they know it's just an ad.

I'm saying if that were my first ad I got on this site, I might leave.

I wouldn't get fired over those images, but I would maybe get a talking to, and my face would redden to the point of almost bleeding through the pores if my boss saw that. "Yeah, it's boardgamegeek".

...that, and we already have a pretty wicked-bad sterotype... and I hate playing into that.

chaddyboy_2000 wrote:

Amusingly, these ads set a record for clickthrough rate for any campaign on BGG...


Damnit. This calls for.



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A warrior lady, showing no offensive body parts, is offensive?

I mean, there are women at the beach showing way more, with way worse bodies!


I'm with you, but I'm worried about the judgement being passed on me for looking at half-naked anime chicks on the internet.

AN interesting phenomena that you raise. You see, I work at a very large conglomerate satellite company in the US. I won't name names, but... we're big. As such, every one of us has a TV, free pay-per-view, all the adult channels we could want...at our desks. Often, we even have to test adult content.

...but that also means we have kind of an established sense of right and wrong throughout the office about what we leave running on our TVs. That sense of right and wrong bleeds through to what we have running on our computers as well.

The rule is this: We have only 10 girls in a building of 150. Don't do anything to make the ratio any worse.
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curtc wrote:
I'll add my voice that I would prefer that this ad or those like it not appear on BGG -- a presumably family-friendly site. It's not just the picture on the ad itself, but the content when you click through the ad. Disclaimer: It doesn't really affect me personally, since I block the ads. It's more about the kind of site I want BGG to be. Just like (yes, to exaggerate), I don't want strip clubs in my neighborhood. There is a permeating effect, even if one doesn't personally participate. I send links to family/friends, for example, mentioning games I like. And they won't block ads. I'd prefer that they don't see that ad and think that's what BGG (and by extension boardgamers) is about.


Geek-golded for making this point, and then defending it. You saved me a headache.
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Consider donating to BGG and getting adblock or use for adblock.


After buying all the advertised games, I never have enough money left for adblock.
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I'm not making a new thread for it, but Dungeon Heroes and Kasume are pushing it...
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This is an interesting thread and I'm still in the middle about all of this.

Just curious if anyone has walked into their local Grocery Store lately. I think you would have a stronger argument to blocking explicit magazines in check out lines versus an ad on here. You can only shield people from so much in this world.

Turn on your local news, drive down the highway, pop in a video game, watch a television show. It's everywhere.

Edit: The campaign is over now isn't it?
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