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I heard the map is not a thick mounted map. just a cheap thin paper like thing. is this true? I wont pay 60 USD and not get a thick hard mounted map
 
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I heard the map is not a thick mounted map. just a cheap thin paper like thing. is this true? I wont pay 60 USD and not get a thick hard mounted map


http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/890901/no-mounted-board-...
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True, it is a paper map.
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I am completely baffled. I follow forums on dozens of new wargames and I have never seen this level of discussion about paper maps which are almost universal for wargames.

Has this game attracted a unique demographic of people who don't normally buy wargames?
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Yes, this 'mounted map' thing is getting to be a bit tiring. In three years of discussion with GMT, and on this board, a mounted map was NEVER stated as being a feature.

This is particularly ridiculous since the standard for GMT is unmounted maps NOT mounted ones. Games that later had mounted maps even had to go through the P500 process to get one.

I think it is a dis-service to Knut who has done a beautiful map in my opinion and followed my wishes to a tee.

This is my last word on mounted maps.

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Guys I'm actually confused by the lack of mounted maps in recent GMT CDG's too - as I believe Gene advised last year that CDG's - owing to their popularity - would from then on be accompanied by them.

That could be where the confusion on the part of some consumers is coming from?

I may have read Gene wrong but it has resulted in my passing on this game too unfortunately.

With Washington's War, Wilderness War, and For the People now having mounted maps (though the latter is now out of print), Madison's War should have been given one too imo.



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I own 12 GMT games right now. Only 2 of them had mounted boards. I did not expect to see mounted boards with Madison's War.
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Successors, Washington's War, Wilderness War, Sword of Rome, Labyrinth, Andean Abyss, Here I Stand, Virgin Queen, 1989, Twilight Struggle, Dominant Species, Urban Sprawl, (the award winning) Sekigahara, No Retreat, and Space Empires - are the current GMT games I own with mounted boards

You can soon add Fading Glory

Edit: Can't forget Leaping Lemmings for that list.
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The only 2 GMT games I own, Twilight Struggle and 1989 have mounted maps. When I heard rumors and saw a picture with "final map board" title on it, I jumped to conclusions.

Here's hoping that MMW continues to sell well (it looks promising so far!), and has a mounted map awaiting it in the future.
 
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One reason not to do a mounted board in this case concerns the nature of the map. Most of the movement boxes are found in a thin strip bisecting the mapsheet, just where a mounted junction would be.
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Yes, this 'mounted map' thing is getting to be a bit tiring. In three years of discussion with GMT, and on this board, a mounted map was NEVER stated as being a feature.

This is particularly ridiculous since the standard for GMT is unmounted maps NOT mounted ones. Games that later had mounted maps even had to go through the P500 process to get one.

I think it is a dis-service to Knut who has done a beautiful map in my opinion and followed my wishes to a tee.

This is my last word on mounted maps.



I got into designer board games in 2009. I now own 6 GMT titles. Every single one has a mounted map. So for me the "GMT standard" is the game having a mounted map. I own and enjoy Washington's War, so when Mr. Madison's War got onto my radar I just assumed it too would have a mounted map. I don't think that's really a stretch in the logical sense for someone who doesn't hang out in message boards or devour every single bit of info about a board game.

Sorry for being one of those ridiculous people that had that assumption.
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I got into designer board games in 2009. I now own 6 GMT titles. Every single one has a mounted map. So for me the "GMT standard" is the game having a mounted map.


Quite honestly, that is an astonishing coincidence. I doubt they have more than ten games in their entire catalog with mounted maps.
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mcszarka wrote:
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I got into designer board games in 2009. I now own 6 GMT titles. Every single one has a mounted map. So for me the "GMT standard" is the game having a mounted map.


Quite honestly, that is an astonishing coincidence. I doubt they have more than ten games in their entire catalog with mounted maps.


Based on the quote above by Adam Parker there are at least 18. Everything he listed + C&C: Ancients.

 
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FinalPhalanx wrote:
mcszarka wrote:
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I got into designer board games in 2009. I now own 6 GMT titles. Every single one has a mounted map. So for me the "GMT standard" is the game having a mounted map.


Quite honestly, that is an astonishing coincidence. I doubt they have more than ten games in their entire catalog with mounted maps.


Based on the quote above by Adam Parker there are at least 18. Everything he listed + C&C: Ancients.



Well, many of those games did not have mounted maps in their first edition. And several of the others are not wargames. It's still a remarkable coincidence to have only purchased GMT games with mounted maps. It is a recent trend. But I suppose someone who has only been buying GMT games for the past couple of years might have different expectations from the rest of us grognards.
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Personally, I prefer paper to mounted maps. I have a sheet of perspex which I used over all my wargame maps when I play. Even if the GMT map happens to be mounted I still place the perspex on top to protect it and to give a really solid playing surface.

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There are several instances on this game's reference page here on the Geek of the use of the word "map board." One is in the description of the game, another in a caption under the image of the map. That, along with the recent history of their publications, gave me no reason to expect anything other than a mounted map. I'm sure I'm not alone in that. So, I too was deeply disappointed when I unboxed my copy to find inside just a paper map for the game.

Frankly, I thought GMT had finally turned a corner on this nonsense. People who own stacks of old GMT games with paper maps may be happy and may even actually prefer them (as we tiresomely hear every time this subject comes up) - they certainly must be used to being treated to this sort of product to be so staunchly defending it in the face of constant criticism. The industry standard for games of strategy has changed folks. Even the old hex and counter games by the venerable Avalon Hill invariably had mounted maps. We are talking "board game" here are we not? SPI put paper maps in zip-loc bags at one time but I'd like to think we've moved on considerably since then.

I think GMT has some nerve charging the price points they do for what often amounts to nothing more than a couple of counter sheets, a paper map, plain paper rules, and a pair of dice. The improved production quality of a number of recent titles made me think they had finally got the message.

Finally, being expressly published for the 200th anniversary of the subject of the game, I had expected a bit more of a premium quality approach in deference to the bicentennial of Mr Madison's War (especially considering the normative opinion south of here as to the outcome). Really disappointing...

 
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I think GMT has some nerve charging the price points they do for what often amounts to nothing more than a couple of counter sheets, a paper map, plain paper rules, and a pair of dice. The improved production quality of a number of recent titles made me think they had finally got the message.


You're paying primarily for the intellectual property, not the components. Wargames require massively more research and design effort than comparable board games. Do you seriously believe that GMT are making oodles of money selling wargames? They're doing well enough to stay in business, but I doubt GMT is planning a hostile takeover of Hasbro anytime soon.

The Eurogamers can have their pretty bits. I will take history instead.
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Bubslug wrote:
as we tiresomely hear every time this subject comes up


Hopefully we can all agree the subject is tiresome, no matter which side we support.
 
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itsmarty wrote:
Bubslug wrote:
as we tiresomely hear every time this subject comes up


Hopefully we can all agree the subject is tiresome, no matter which side we support.


Stop reading.
 
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I don't know if it was deliberate or not but even on GMT's own web-page that describes the game there are two references to the "map board" and "game board" before listing "map sheet" in the list of components. I don't blame anyone for being at the very least confused or led to believe the map might be mounted. Carelessness? Unconscious acknowledgement that a "board" should be involved in some way? If the term is simply a generic reference maybe we should consider why that is. I'm not sure who I'm more annoyed with: GMT for disappointing us in this or those that insist we should have never expected a proper "board" in the first place...
 
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Bubslug wrote:

I think GMT has some nerve charging the price points they do for what often amounts to nothing more than a couple of counter sheets, a paper map, plain paper rules, and a pair of dice. The improved production quality of a number of recent titles made me think they had finally got the message.


Funny, I got a pretty nice deck of cards in mine as well, since its a CDG and all...
 
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I wasn't speaking specifically of Madison's War but a reference to the former(?) template of many of GMT's war games. I thought some of their recent publications were showing more promise - but I do grant you those cards...
 
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Bubslug wrote:
I wasn't speaking specifically of Madison's War but a reference to the former(?) template of many of GMT's war games. I thought some of their recent publications were showing more promise - but I do grant you those cards...


Richard - it's not just GMT's template to produce paper maps. Most of the major primarily wargame companies have done so for ages. So if you need a mounted board to enjoy a game, you will also want to avoid companies like MMP, Worthington Games, Columbia Games, and Lock 'n Loaded. It's a niche industry and given the small print runs, most companies can't afford to produce wargames with mounted boards. The fact the GMT has started to offer some games with mounted boards is a sign of their financial growth as a company. The mounted boards are usually done for their anticipated big sellers. I don't think this game is one of them.

Me, personally, I'll play their games with either board option.
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I swear I must have read the word "board" online somewhere because I assumed my copy would have come with one.

It's kind of a nuisance more than anything that it didn't.
 
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