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Chad likes to defend the failed presidency of Barack Obama, a man who has done untold damage to the United States, left an unmatched record of broken promises, irreparable harm to the global economy, lowered our credit rating, buried future generations in insurmountable debt, raised taxes on the most vulnerable groups, brought unprecedented divisiveness, dishonesty, negativity, and Chicago-style corruption to Washington, frittered away trillions of dollars with nothing to show for it, mocked the rule of law, and undermined the hope and potential prosperity of those very groups that got him into office most of all (young people and minorities) by relying on and repeating the lies and frauds of the administration and its propaganda machine and focusing on the trivial rather than anything of substance when it comes to politics.

For example, "Sure, Obama shares responsibility for deaths in Benghazi and we see failed foreign policy and scandals all the time from him (how big was that hostage crisis this week?), but Romney once said Syria was Iran's route to the sea! What an idiot!" "Well, is Syria Iran's route to the sea?" "Only in a very limited sense . . ." "The sense Romney meant?" "Well, yeah . . ." "Okay, then."

One thing that fascinated me about this last election cycle was that for the first time we saw a dishonest and more negative campaign prevail, and the most impressive and qualified candidate for president in over 20 years was routinely called a liar, stood by what he said, and was vindicated as right time after time after time!

Since Chad has resorted more than once to the fact that extremely biased media rated a distortion and misrepresentation of a Romney claim as the "Lie of the Year," I thought he might appreciate knowing that once again Romney was exactly right:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/whoops-politifacts-lie-y...

Hopefully after four more years of suffering, folks that supported him paid attention and got an important education (even if it was the hard way) in why we ought to expect certain things from our elected leaders.
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this [url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/uk-fiat-marchionne-... [/url] says nothing about production being moved. It says they will build Jeeps in China, not that they are going to close US factories. So the lie continues.
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slatersteven wrote:
this [url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/uk-fiat-marchionne-... [/url] says nothing about production being moved. It says they will build Jeeps in China, not that they are going to close US factories. So the lie continues.

Romney never said that they were going to close US factories. Obama's lie continues.
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Blue Steel wrote:
Chad likes to defend the failed presidency of Barack Obama, a man who has done untold damage to the United States, left an unmatched record of broken promises, irreparable harm to the global economy, lowered our credit rating, buried future generations in insurmountable debt

My observation, which I make while eating a sandwich--but not, I assure you, a sandwich made of peanut butter and wasabi paste, because that turned out to be a terrible idea even though I normally enjoy wasabi in non-peanut-butter-related foods, but not as much as I enjoy peanut butter, or honey, or sweetened condensed milk, or a big bag of sugar and a spoon, or nectar sucked from the neighbors' hummingbird feeders when nobody's looking--is that, when you begin with paragraphs of blather which don't seem to have anything to do with the title of your post, you kill readers' interest in whatever you might have been intending to say.
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I have a question: what games did you design? I want to avoid buying them.
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Blue Steel wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
this [url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/uk-fiat-marchionne-... [/url] says nothing about production being moved. It says they will build Jeeps in China, not that they are going to close US factories. So the lie continues.

Romney never said that they were going to close US factories. Obama's lie continues.

What do you suppose Romney actually said, what Obama lied about, and what then actually occurred?

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I have a question: what games did you design? I want to avoid buying them.

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Page three of that article is wonderful:

Quote:
I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state Jeep -- now owned by the Italians -- is thinking of moving all production to China. I will fight for every good job in America.


That's the actual quote from the ad deemed "lie of the year". All production. All production. The campaign backpedaled from it almost immediately as they knew, like you know, they got it wrong in what they said.
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Chad likes to defend the failed presidency of Barack Obama, a man who has done untold damage to the United States, left an unmatched record of broken promises, irreparable harm to the global economy, lowered our credit rating, buried future generations in insurmountable debt, raised taxes on the most vulnerable groups, brought unprecedented divisiveness, dishonesty, negativity, and Chicago-style corruption to Washington, frittered away trillions of dollars with nothing to show for it, mocked the rule of law, and undermined the hope and potential prosperity of those very groups that got him into office most of all (young people and minorities) by relying on and repeating the lies and frauds of the administration and its propaganda machine and focusing on the trivial rather than anything of substance when it comes to politics.

For example, "Sure, Obama shares responsibility for deaths in Benghazi and we see failed foreign policy and scandals all the time from him (how big was that hostage crisis this week?), but Romney once said Syria was Iran's route to the sea! What an idiot!" "Well, is Syria Iran's route to the sea?" "Only in a very limited sense . . ." "The sense Romney meant?" "Well, yeah . . ." "Okay, then."

One thing that fascinated me about this last election cycle was that for the first time we saw a dishonest and more negative campaign prevail, and the most impressive and qualified candidate for president in over 20 years was routinely called a liar, stood by what he said, and was vindicated as right time after time after time!

Since Chad has resorted more than once to the fact that extremely biased media rated a distortion and misrepresentation of a Romney claim as the "Lie of the Year," I thought he might appreciate knowing that once again Romney was exactly right:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/whoops-politifacts-lie-y...

Hopefully after four more years of suffering, folks that supported him paid attention and got an important education (even if it was the hard way) in why we ought to expect certain things from our elected leaders.


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A few thoughts:

1. If you're going to say that I said certain things and then say, "For example" and follow that with quotes, please only words I've actually said. I'm sure you think it's obvious that you're being hyperbolic (although why bother if, as you claim, I've said things that are so easily refutable) but the standard convention is that if you put words in quotes when referring to what someone else said, you're quoting them, not caricaturing them.

2. The fact that the Weekly Standard thinks that a Politifact Lie of the Year from the right is actually true is about as convincing as the fact that DailyKos said the same thing about a Lie of the Year from the left.

3. The Standard piece is basic apologetics. It takes snippets from the Politifact article and snippets from the Romney ad and then declares that the Romney ad was accurate. If you read the entire Politifact piece, you can see that it wasn't just the ad, but the ad combined with Romney's own statements, and those from his campaign.

Was the ad dishonest? Surely you don't think so; Romney lied repeatedly during his campaign and you call him "vindicated time after time". But GM called it, "campaign politics at its cynical worst" and the CEO of Chrysler (more diplomatically) called it "inaccurate". Romney kept running it.

FWIW, I don't think this deserved the lie of the year award. I think Romney knew he was misleading people, but no more than a dozen other ads. The only argument I can see for giving it "lie of the year" status is that the companies referred to it publicly refuted it, Romney kept running it, and he lost Ohio by a clear margin.

Of course, this response is theoretical anyway, since I think you're deliberately caricaturing anti-Obama zealots rather than being one. It's hard to tell, though.
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I don't think he's caricaturing anti-Obama zealots. I think he truly is one.
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fenners wrote:
Page three of that article is wonderful:

Quote:
I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state Jeep -- now owned by the Italians -- is thinking of moving all production to China. I will fight for every good job in America.


That's the actual quote from the ad deemed "lie of the year". All production. All production. The campaign backpedaled from it almost immediately as they knew, like you know, they got it wrong in what they said.


No, that's not a quote from the ad. Ironically, your post is a lie.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/whoops-politifacts-lie-y...

Pay special attention to the update on the third page.

Would you care to retract your erroneous statement?
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Psauberer wrote:
Pay special attention to the update on the third page.

It's a two page article.
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damiangerous wrote:

It's a two page article.


No it's not.


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Would you care to retract your erroneous statement?


Doh! From the speech is what I meant.

"Romney said this". That work better for you?
 
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fenners wrote:
damiangerous wrote:

It's a two page article.


No it's not.


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Would you care to retract your erroneous statement?


Doh! From the speech is what I meant.

"Romney said this". That work better for you?


Then you agree that it's irrelevant to PolitiFact's "Lie of the Year" since that was specifically about the ad?
 
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...lowered our credit rating...


Demonstrably untrue. Our credit rating was lowered explicitly because of Congress and the uncertainty the Tea Party and the out-of-control GOP has created in the US government. It was cited specifically when the US's credit score was lowered.
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Psauberer wrote:
fenners wrote:
damiangerous wrote:

It's a two page article.


No it's not.


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Would you care to retract your erroneous statement?


Doh! From the speech is what I meant.

"Romney said this". That work better for you?


Then you agree that it's irrelevant to PolitiFact's "Lie of the Year" since that was specifically about the ad?


No.
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Psauberer wrote:
Then you agree that it's irrelevant to PolitiFact's "Lie of the Year" since that was specifically about the ad?

It was not specifically about the ad. Have you read their entire article?
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Ah so in this case, none that have been published, got it.

Whew! I was worried I might accidentally give him money.
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I think the point is, BS is setting his sights early on Lie of the Year for 2013. It's always been monopolized by politicians, but RSP deserves its shot.
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Blue Steel wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
this [url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/uk-fiat-marchionne-... [/url] says nothing about production being moved. It says they will build Jeeps in China, not that they are going to close US factories. So the lie continues.

Romney never said that they were going to close US factories. Obama's lie continues.
"I saw a story today, that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China," So yes you are correct he does not actually say they are going to close US factories, just move all production to China (whilst I assume paying those US workers to do nothing?).

"Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China. Mitt Romney will fight for every American job." the clear implication, American jobs are being moved to China from Chrysler.
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I don't think he's caricaturing anti-Obama zealots. I think he truly is one.


I don't think Alinskyite name-calling towards a user or calling him "BS" creates a very welcoming atmosphere especially for someone who didn't seem to visit the RSP forum much before the election. Of course, if people want things to spiral downward, you should probably ignore my advice. What do I know...
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I don't think he's caricaturing anti-Obama zealots. I think he truly is one.


I don't think Alinskyite name-calling towards a user or calling him "BS" creates a very welcoming atmosphere especially for someone who didn't seem to visit the RSP forum much before the election. Of course, if people want things to spiral downward, you should probably ignore my advice. What do I know...


Chad likes to defend... creates a welcoming atmosphere?
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Romney? Where do I know that name from?
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Romney? Where do I know that name from?
I think he was the loser beat by a failure.
 
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