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I am considering not painting these minis.

They would certainly be fun and easy, aside from the skin of course. Lots of tamiya oil and smoke, drybrushed rust, etc. good times. But with the sheer amount I'm looking at I may opt to make this a 100% fun and enjoyable game with no painting time strings attached.

How about the rest of you?
 
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If (when?) I get it then I'm planning on painting my stuff as I'm more of a painter than a gamer.
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Not only am I not painting them .. I'm also no longer getting them at all.

Would rather spend better money here on WWI
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moocifer wrote:
Not only am I not painting them .. I'm also no longer getting them at all.

Would rather spend better money here on WWI


lame reply, and belongs elsewhere. Go play in traffic dude.
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Hold on...
HOLD ON....

Let me go get me marshmallows for the flame war ahead....

For myself, I plan to paint them up.
If I get them.
The main thing attracting me to this is the RTS style play.
I already have several skirmish type game either on the shelf or on the way.
 
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moocifer wrote:
Not only am I not painting them .. I'm also no longer getting them at all.


Having watched the 2nd gameplay video, I'm probably going to drop out of this one too.

I don't see any reason to have duplicates of all the core units.
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You don't need to completely drop out...just get the core set if that's what you want...

As for me, they are in a que behind my Dust and Super Dungon Explore stuff to paint. Ill probably end up painting them but possibly not as well.
 
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knatebaker wrote:
You don't need to completely drop out...just get the core set if that's what you want...


There's no point in pledging at the $90 level, particularly if you're not in the US (then it's $115), because you'll be able to pick the game up at retail for less.
 
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:
knatebaker wrote:
You don't need to completely drop out...just get the core set if that's what you want...


There's no point in pledging at the $90 level, particularly if you're not in the US (then it's $115), because you'll be able to pick the game up at retail for less.


Ahh, my apologies. I didn't see that you were from the Kingdom itself.
 
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:
knatebaker wrote:
You don't need to completely drop out...just get the core set if that's what you want...


There's no point in pledging at the $90 level, particularly if you're not in the US (then it's $115), because you'll be able to pick the game up at retail for less.


Keep in mind that KickStarter is not a store, its for funding projects that would not otherwise get published. You pay more in a Kickstarter because you are investing in and showing support for the games and the people who make them in addition to wanting to see MORE of what they can do later.

So yes, if all you want is the bare minimum then by all means wait for the retail version.
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Zorch wrote:
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knatebaker wrote:
You don't need to completely drop out...just get the core set if that's what you want...


There's no point in pledging at the $90 level, particularly if you're not in the US (then it's $115), because you'll be able to pick the game up at retail for less.


Keep in mind that KickStarter is not a store, its for funding projects that would not otherwise get published. You pay more in a Kickstarter because you are investing in and showing support for the games and the people who make them in addition to wanting to see MORE of what they can do later.

So yes, if all you want is the bare minimum then by all means wait for the retail version.


I would agree with this.
With the exception of CMON.

They are very obviously using KS as a pre-order system.
I have no doubt these games would be made regardless.

Zombicide, Sedition Wars, Relic Knights, and now this.
They have all been run the same exact way.
They added in piles of stuff to get people to pledge in early so they could get their funds in quicker.
I would imagine this would be for quarterly earnings or to make it easier to get the project expanded beyond the original plan.

I say this, when I pledged in for the first 3. And am even in and out on RW.

To those thinking if RW is worth it, look at Sedition Wars.

The Stretch goal set there was $100.
You got nearly double of all the vanguard troops, and the Strain all the way up to the Phase 5.

You can now pre-order of $60 as CSI.
So not counting the unique add ins, just off the 'duplicates' included in the KS, it would take $120 to get the same now. You would be shy the extra tile set. But would have many more things, custom heroes, Baby Drones, Crabs, etc etc.

It should all end up being looked at closely with the final 'retail' cost in mind.

RW is likely to cost about ~$65 from CSI come retail.
The Blitz level is $150. So a $85 difference.
If you were to buy the extras they threw in, not counting Dupes, youd end up being about even.
Thats if those prices are about 2/3 of what retail will be. Adjusted up then down works out about a wash.

Zombicide was worth it IMO.
Sedition Wars was very worth it.
Relic Kights was an insane value if you A) wanted most of what the genre offered and B) figured out how to work the system.

Rivet is not necessarily worth it right now.
Even with all the cool extras, its a bit of a wash right now.
Thinking on the dupes, if you wanted to have grand melee skirmish games or play 4 player, then they, and the Blitz level would definitely be worth it.

Just my thought.s
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ropya wrote:
They (CMON) are very obviously using KS as a pre-order system.
I have no doubt these games would be made regardless.


I don't know about that. My understanding with miniatures is the molds are very expensive. Add to that that producing such games is not cost-effective at low quantities. I believe CMON produces miniatures for hobbyists, but putting together an entire game may involve different expenditures up front.

Which is to say, the money from Kickstarter *probably* makes it easier, at least, for them to put these games out. From a business standpoint, Kickstarter may be allowing them to put out games they want to do, but might not be willing to risk spending money on without knowing X number of units are sold right out of the gate AND having the money to pay for stuff without as much risk.

Small businesses often ride the razor's edge in every financial decision they make. If KS campaigns enable CMON to grow more safely than they might otherwise, I'm happy to support their games.

Edit: also, I'm not painting the figures.
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ohbalto wrote:
ropya wrote:
They (CMON) are very obviously using KS as a pre-order system.
I have no doubt these games would be made regardless.


I don't know about that. My understanding with miniatures is the molds are very expensive. Add to that that producing such games is not cost-effective at low quantities. I believe CMON produces miniatures for hobbyists, but putting together an entire game may involve different expenditures up front.

Which is to say, the money from Kickstarter *probably* makes it easier, at least, for them to put these games out. From a business standpoint, Kickstarter may be allowing them to put out games they want to do, but might not be willing to risk spending money on without knowing X number of units are sold right out of the gate AND having the money to pay for stuff without as much risk.

Small businesses often ride the razor's edge in every financial decision they make. If KS campaigns enable CMON to grow more safely than they might otherwise, I'm happy to support their games.

Edit: also, I'm not painting the figures.


I think Rivet Wars may be the first of their Kickstarters where that is even remotely true.

They've stated openly that Zombicide was something like 90% (I don't recall the exact number they stated) complete when they started the Kickstarter for that.

And I know Sedition Wars had been in development, and many, if not all of the core game miniatures had been available, for some time.

Relic Knights I'm not sure about, nor Guilds.

And, as for the cost of molds, yeah, they're expensive, and yeah they eventually wear out and be replaced, but, the price we pay for an individual mini is vastly more than the cost of the raw plastic that goes into that miniature, so the miniatures pay for the molds very quickly.

A company the size of CMON could easily get funding for that initial cost, even without Kickstarter, and even in this economic climate, because it's easy for any investor to see the returns that can be made.
 
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:


Relic Knights I'm sure about, nor Guilds.


While I cant comment on Guilds (which I AM bummed I missed somehow), RK has had figures around for quite some time to my understanding.
I think of it akin to Kingdom Death.

They took a successful figure line and developed a rule set for it.
They already had molds and models for sale, for most, if not all, the Larger Relic figures.

The only way I could see Relic being a 'true' KS project in the spirit of trying an unknown would be because of the HEAVY competition it does and will have from Dust.
Dust is already very established and ever expanding.
So I can possibly see Rivet being a true KS.

As for my own view.
While I dont look at it like a 'store' or pre-order form, I do compare the value with the future prices knowing good and well that CSI will have the product for 35% off retail.
And before Im torn apart for not supporting my FLGS, CSI is my FLGS.

But each their own view.
 
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ropya wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:


Relic Knights I'm sure about, nor Guilds.


While I cant comment on Guilds (which I AM bummed I missed somehow), RK has had figures around for quite some time to my understanding.
I think of it akin to Kingdom Death.


That should have said "Relic Knight I'm not sure about...".

So, pretty much the same as Sedition Wars then - existing minis line + game rules (and in the case of SW even the game rules were around for quite some time before the Kickstarter).
 
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They're redoing a lot of the Relic Knight miniatures. Some of the Relic Knights themselves for example are already available in resin but they're being re-sculpted and released in plastic for KS backers. Anyways, we've kind of gone completely off topic on this one sorry OP!

After years of painting exclusively GW stuff I've branched out in recent years, mainly to Skirmish Games and Board Games (with miniatures!) so it's the miniatures and painting of them that attracted me to River Wars in the first place.
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Lokismile wrote:
I am considering not painting these minis.

They would certainly be fun and easy, aside from the skin of course. Lots of tamiya oil and smoke, drybrushed rust, etc. good times. But with the sheer amount I'm looking at I may opt to make this a 100% fun and enjoyable game with no painting time strings attached.

How about the rest of you?


Well, back ON TOPIC, I am considering painting mine because I am getting the core set plus the M3/Lanskrieger add on. That brings my mini count to 46. It's a lot more manageable than the 100+, seemingly pointless extra mini's that come Blitzkrieg.
 
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Taegukki wrote:
Lokismile wrote:
I am considering not painting these minis.

They would certainly be fun and easy, aside from the skin of course. Lots of tamiya oil and smoke, drybrushed rust, etc. good times. But with the sheer amount I'm looking at I may opt to make this a 100% fun and enjoyable game with no painting time strings attached.

How about the rest of you?


Well, back ON TOPIC, I am considering painting mine because I am getting the core set plus the M3/Lanskrieger add on. That brings my mini count to 46. It's a lot more manageable than the 100+, seemingly pointless extra mini's that come Blitzkrieg.


I will not be painting them. I am absolutely excited to get and play the game, but since I am The Slowest Painter on Earth, I will have to be content to play with them "au naturel".

Plus, the style of the minis leads me to believe that a) they will look great without paint, and b) with the minimalist / chibi style, my skillz could not do them justice.
 
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Grim6 wrote:
Taegukki wrote:
Lokismile wrote:
I am considering not painting these minis.

They would certainly be fun and easy, aside from the skin of course. Lots of tamiya oil and smoke, drybrushed rust, etc. good times. But with the sheer amount I'm looking at I may opt to make this a 100% fun and enjoyable game with no painting time strings attached.

How about the rest of you?


Well, back ON TOPIC, I am considering painting mine because I am getting the core set plus the M3/Lanskrieger add on. That brings my mini count to 46. It's a lot more manageable than the 100+, seemingly pointless extra mini's that come Blitzkrieg.


I will not be painting them. I am absolutely excited to get and play the game, but since I am The Slowest Painter on Earth, I will have to be content to play with them "au naturel".

Plus, the style of the minis leads me to believe that a) they will look great without paint, and b) with the minimalist / chibi style, my skillz could not do them justice.


Same here. I'm confident in my painting, but still apprehensive. What it comes down to is lack of time. They look great painted anyway, sort of like army men.
 
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I'll paint the "ridiculous" extras first and then I'll paint the core part of the Blitz box and finally, I'll paint the extra core box. When that is finished, I'll start making tiles out of Masonite and maybe making other terrain effects. By that time, the expansions should be ready!
 
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I doubt I would paint my set ... but I'm not 100% sure of that however
 
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I plan on painting the entire set...but I will probably paint the bulk of the "duplicate" minis in a completely different uniform to make them available as other factions.
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Skiprydell wrote:
I plan on painting the entire set...but I will probably paint the bulk of the "duplicate" minis in a completely different uniform to make them available as other factions.


I'm waiting to hear on other boards and what they'll look like (the inevitable snow boards for the Ruska) and then I might paint my allied extras in a snowy camo uniform...
 
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This will actually be my first painting project ever....we will see how it goes.
 
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