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This will be my first foray into miniature wargaming and I hope for some advice on what expansion soldier packs to puchase. My plan at the moment is to purchase DoD and LFB (because most people say just DoD is not large enough of a map or enough soldiers); I then need to add at least four soldiers for each side to play all the scenarios. With that in mind, what expansion soldier groups do I buy?

I wanted to start with the American BAR unit, just because I love the BAR as a weapon. I would then add the German 98 soldiers. But is that stacking the deck on one side or the other? I was pondering giving the Germans the machine gun unit, but again that felt like it could become a bit uneven.

Advice?

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Is there a reason why you decided to go with LFB instead of Road to Carentan? I think RtC first is the natural progression. I believe some of the LFB scenarios utilize tiles found in RtC as well.

You will likely never field exactly all of your troops as each scenario lists a certain amount of points you can spend for the scenario. The points will make sure you are not stacking the deck.

Typically you will field more Germans in a scenario than Americans (Germans are worth less VP), so that's something to keep in mind.

I just placed my first purchase on Monday (it should arrive tomorrow) and went with the following:

-DoD
-RtC
-American Squad Bundle
-German Squad Bundle
-German Assault Team

I went with squad bundles because they offer a better value than getting a Rifle unit. I would prefer a BAR to the .30 cal in the American squad as well, so I will probably pick that up later. I also thought about adding in the American Assault team but someone from LBG (Kevin maybe?) mentioned there would be a new American release that had a single Rifle Grenade soldier with a Thompson soldier so you don't have to buy the two extra Rifleman. I'm waiting on that.

I would urge you to consider the German squad bundle instead of just a Rifle team, although price is of course a factor.
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I agree with Charles on all accounts. RtC and squad bundles to start are the way to go.

The number per side is not as important as points. The uniqueness of each soldier will mean you need learn where each one excels. Some will be better at range others at close combat. You might want to include some in your squads just for padding a deck with Moves or Looks.

What I'm getting at is the more soldiers you have, the better you can tailor your squads for your objective. Squad packs for each side will give you more option in choosing soldier for each game.

That being said, we have found that bringing lots of cheap 2 point Germans are hard to beat. So an extra rifle pack for the Germans wouldn't hurt.


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I started off with DoD, RtC, and added the 2 assault packs and an extra leader for each. I liked the panzer Faust and the rifle grenade. For street fighting scenarios coming in the future, ill probably go with the additional rifle grenade/rifleman pack and an extra panzerfaust for more ooomph.
 
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I was choosing LFB instead of RtC for the sole reason of lowering my buy-in cost. I am looking at $230 to start with DoD/LFB and two teams, as opposed to $355 for the DoD/RtC and two assault teams. That's really the main reason.

I don't understand the "natural progression" of RtC. Will I miss a storyline or gameplay tactic by skipping right to LFB?
 
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Hamphistory wrote:
I was choosing LFB instead of RtC for the sole reason of lowering my buy-in cost. I am looking at $230 to start with DoD/LFB and two teams, as opposed to $355 for the DoD/RtC and two assault teams. That's really the main reason.

I don't understand the "natural progression" of RtC. Will I miss a storyline or gameplay tactic by skipping right to LFB?


You could keep your original troop purchases and swap RtC for LFB (aren't they the same price?).

I used the word natural meaning that most people do it that way, that it came out second, continuity may be an issue (I can't answer your question about missing the storyline as I'm not sure), and you'd be paying for content in LFB that you couldn't yet use (some scenarios requiring RtC tiles.
 
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My first order was DoD, RTC, 1 U.S. Squad Bundle and 1 German Squad Bundle. I think you get the most bang for your buck if you start out with 1 Squad Bundle for each side.

I think going DoD and RTC is the best option for getting started as you get the most use out of the scenario books since you will have all the tiles you would need for them.

The Squad Bundles are great because you get 2 leaders included, 1 with a rifle and one with a sub-machine gun. The leaders are great because they offer a ton of flexibility in that they come in 3 different ranks and VP cost, so you can fine tune your forces even more. I've used my Private ranked leaders or corporal ranked leaders on different occasions, as well as their highest rank. Flexibility makes building squads more fun.

I later picked up the BAR team and Panzerfaust team, as well as Hasty Positions. Just backed Red Devils and hope to add to my U.S. forces later with some specialists.

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I'm not great at math but I must have missed something. RtC is just $5 more expensive than LfB (and has more map pieces).

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(I can't answer your question about missing the storyline as I'm not sure), and you'd be paying for content in LFB that you couldn't yet use (some scenarios requiring RtC tiles.



There is certainly some scenario sequence differences, and I'm not familiar enough with the contents of LfB to know if it has the same "equipment" cards (panzerfaust, rifle grenade, explosives... boots?). A quick check of the 'what's in it' list suggests the things that go boom are also in LfB.

I do know that the LBG folks made an effort not to make LfB too dependent on RtC. I think only the last scenario in LfB-- which is a big one-- actually requires RtC map pieces. It would have been a very natural progression (as Charles mentions) to go that route-- and in the future they might have to-- but at this point, the two Chapters are pretty independent.


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I also thought about adding in the American Assault team but someone from LBG (Kevin maybe?) mentioned there would be a new American release that had a single Rifle Grenade soldier with a Thompson soldier so you don't have to buy the two extra Rifleman. I'm waiting on that.


I remember reading something about that too, but it was not me who reported it. My knowledge doesn't go past the "that sounds familiar" stage.
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I see a catch 22 here. If you are wanting larger boards you will need more troops.

I recommend more troops over RtC for a larger play area. Don't underestimate the re-playability of SMG. No matter how many times you play a scenario it will never be the same. Plus with more troops you will be able to use varying tactics.

Maybe DoD a German squad pack and an American Assault pack. This would be the same price range.

Just my 2c.
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Just to update my math:

While RtC and LFB are only $5 difference, the average number of units on the board for LFB is about 8/9, while for RtC it is in the low teens. It is not the expansion that is the big price difference, but the cost of purchasing so many more miniature soldiers that bumps that price up.

I appreciate everybody's input ... I've got some things to think about. So many options, so little money! cry
 
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Do what you can financially manage and will get the most out of for now Scott and then add more over time as money allows.
 
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Hamphistory wrote:
Just to update my math:

While RtC and LFB are only $5 difference, the average number of units on the board for LFB is about 8/9, while for RtC it is in the low teens. It is not the expansion that is the big price difference, but the cost of purchasing so many more miniature soldiers that bumps that price up.

I appreciate everybody's input ... I've got some things to think about. So many options, so little money! cry


Ah, that makes sense. Didn't realize the difference in scenario sizes. I think most of us are over-analyzing this and you will enjoy your original selection. You can then pick up more troops or RtC later when you have the money or feel like you want to expand the game.
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Scott:

I actually did what you are considering doing...only mine was a mistake. I meant to order RtC and instead I grabbed La Fiere Bridge. I also ordered the BAR and the German MG...same reasons as you listed! Shortly after that I grabbed the panzerfaust, the rifle-grenade and the Hasty terrain pack.

I would recommend grabbing the RtC as the first expansion. I didn't realize the instructions and the equipment cards for the panzerfaust and the rifle-grenade are in RtC. Jeff Billings was very accommodating and sent me the equipment cards out of RtC...free of charge! I offered to pay but I got a statement with the cards that said "paid"...pretty nice of them...the only time it is good to be ignored by the company!

I think you make a good point about the map size. However, I think if you are looking for adding these type units before the 'other' expansion, you may want to consider RtC. Having said all that, I am VERY new to the game and my lack of knowledge is exceeded only by my ability to get friendly troops in the proverbial "pickle"..

Best of luck with your purchase!

Roger
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I don't have a lot to add other than the route that I have taken.

I have DoD and RtC. I recently ordered the farm buildings (lovely things!) and some more troops:

-US Bar team (rather than MG since one comes in the squad pack which I would plan on getting later);

-German Light Infantry Assault Team (rather than MG team since it comes with the german squad pack which I plan on getting later);

-and a German Rifle Leader (again, since the mp40 leader comes with the squad pack.)

So, my next orders would probably be the two squad packs.

I'm not sure about the fox hole(s) or LFB yet.
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Regarding the report about LBG soon selling 2 packs of things like MG teams or a rifle grenade and smg, the source may be this thread...

http://boardgamegeek.com/article/11157677#11157677

But in that thread, the actual, "official" story is about "specialists" like scouts and skirmishers. We may think an MG team is a specialist, but that is not the specific game mechanic thing Jeff is talking about.
 
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Does the British Red Devils starter set offer a better deal to get in to the game via kick starter? No good though if you want US troops.
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kduke wrote:
Regarding the report about LBG soon selling 2 packs of things like MG teams or a rifle grenade and smg, the source may be this thread...

http://boardgamegeek.com/article/11157677#11157677

But in that thread, the actual, "official" story is about "specialists" like scouts and skirmishers. We may think an MG team is a specialist, but that is not the specific game mechanic thing Jeff is talking about.


Actually, I was thinking of this thread where Jeff states a 2nd quarter release with a Rifle Grenadier/Thompson:

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/905958/maximum-number-of-sol...

I wasn't sure what thread originally but I just found it.
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Hamphistory wrote:
Just to update my math:

While RtC and LFB are only $5 difference, the average number of units on the board for LFB is about 8/9, while for RtC it is in the low teens. It is not the expansion that is the big price difference, but the cost of purchasing so many more miniature soldiers that bumps that price up.

I appreciate everybody's input ... I've got some things to think about. So many options, so little money! cry


This is exactly what my train of thought was in my similar thread last week. Unfortunately, my payday was a day late, and I needed to pull the trigger quickly in order to try and get my stuff here by this weekend, so based on very similar first responses, I decided to nix the LfB and just ordered the DoD starter, both Assault Teams, and the GM kit (I'm a token geek). I now wish greatly I'd stayed the course with LfB, as I won't be able to utilize my rifle grenade and Panzerfaust guys to their fullest without the rules (which according to the descriptions, should come with both RtC and LfB).

Of course, next payday, I'm going to try to swing RtC and the two Squad Packs. I just need to make sure I leave enough in the account to cover the Red Devils Kickstarter on the check after that. Maybe I'll just order LfB, the BAR Team, and the M2 US leader. (Other stuff not in the squad packs).
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Hey Curtis,

I stayed the course and made my purchase yesterday: DoD, LFB, a German rifle team, a US BAR team, and one leader for each side. That will give me 10 total soldiers for each side, and with leaders it will give me some flexibility of assigning roles and forming combat teams.

I'll let you know how it works out or if there was any serious flaw to my idea.

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Sounds like a good choice Scott. Getting those leaders is great for added flexibility
 
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Thanks Greg. I picked up the two leaders after reading your post; I thought that was a very good idea.
 
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