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Hey there, you folks who have Day and Road and a bunch of soldiers.

We realized that Red Devils would be something some folks would want a lot, others might stay firmly in the universe of "Day of Days" and U.S. paras...and others might be somewhere in the middle.

The other day, Greg posted this.

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While I would have liked some of the specialists in the Red Devil kickstarter, I didn't want to have to have 12 more Germans to get them. I already have 19 Germans and 12 more would put me a 31, and then I'd likely want some different German specialists down the road, so I'd have more Germans than I'd really need. So I opted for the Custom Sgt level and will only get 5 more Germans, so that would leave me room to add a few more German specialists later, without having too many unused riflemen.


We knew there was some overlap in the Germans with Devils and thought that might be an advantage in some ways, while we are trying to make the new Germans "new" so that it doesn't feel so much like duplication.

But still.

Just suppose...Jeff put together a new bundle for the Kick Starter program that included as many British figures as any of the packages but avoided Germans as much as possible? Can't leave them out of the base game, but the rest? So you might see base game, custom sergeant, British Reinforcements, British Pathfinders...etc. and anyone who already has Hasty Positions could get the Devil scenarios without having to buy more Hasty Positions. Assume a reasonable price that lines you up for the other stretch goals and things.

Would that make Red Devils a lot more attractive for you veterans who are not that interested in the new German figs, weapons, and abilities?
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Kevin, that is a great idea and something that would allow for a more balanced number of soldiers across the board for those of us with DoD and all of the current stuff. Besides, my wife does not need any more help with the Germans... She already holds her own quite well! I have not jumped into the Kickstarter yet, but am thinking about it and something like this might just do it.
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Good idea Kevin. It would help me keep everything on an even keel!
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I would definitely be interested in that Kevin!!

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Just suppose...Jeff put together a new bundle for the Kick Starter program that included as many British figures as any of the packages but avoided Germans as much as possible?


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Would that make Red Devils a lot more attractive for you veterans who are not that interested in the new German figs, weapons, and abilities?


Absolutely. I already have all the German and US specialists. More Germans is not the answer for me. More Brit specialists would give me 3 working armies for the Kickstart commitment probably pushing me over the edge.
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I certainly like the idea of having the additional Hasty scenarios while still being able to sub another terrain option but if we are speculating....
I would love the idea of being involved at the vechile level what who has a spare 5K+? So instead, what if thee was say a limited (10) $500 level that included either German/US halftrack or a British Universal Carrier. Now you certainly cant offer a paint vechile so instead an "overlay" vechile. You would still get any troops and an option to buy the real deal vechile at a slight discount in the future. The same could be offered at ? $600 for a tank. Now that would really pique my interest or at least have me up my level.
Just a thought .....
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Good idea Kevin.

I'd consider bumping my $120 custom Sergeant pledge by another $80-$100 to get the 5 British reinforcements, 2 pathfinders infiltrators and the Infiltration Module and HP RD scenarios.
 
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I'm looking at the Red Devils as a one-off for now personally. I'm more interested in the extra terrain and the Game Masters kit parts personally.

Add in the extra overlay terrain alone is draw enough to me as well as any equipment and/or specialist troops on the German side to sue in any scenarios of my own.

-Rob K.
 
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Gents, I would love to see more responses.

Just to be clear, do you realize that the Germans in the higher levels include some cool things, like the MP44, and snipers with scoped rifles? Specialists? So it's not like getting same-old-same-old...
 
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I understand what you mean about the cool stuff the Germans are getting Kevin. But for my own situation, I can't have everything I would really like. I have to weigh what my budget will allow and what is coming up down the road. I can't do the amount needed to get the awesome new Germans and the awesome new British. I don't want to totally abandon my U.S. troops either and not be able to get the Scouts later. I also have to consider Pegasus Bridge and other stuff released later in the year.

Ultimately, I can still be fine with the Custom Sgt level I'm at and be fine with the 6 British I'll have for now because it will work with the base scenarios and I can make it work with the DoD and RtC stuff I have for the time being until I can add more British later. If I do that, I can get some new U.S./German stuff released in the first half of this year and then get more British and Pegasus Bridge at the end of the year.

Believe me, I wish I had more disposable income to buy everything, but I don't and as it is I'm still trying to save for a family vacation that we haven't had for a few years.
 
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No argument, Greg.

Some at HQ were just wondering if folks were really perceiving that there were a lot of differences in the new Germans and did not want anyone to be disappointed later. An unhappy customer saying, "I didn't notice that stuff you wrote in plain black and white" is still unhappy.

On the other hand, "No thank you, at this time" is pretty plain language also.
 
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I'm already in at the British Infiltration level, so it doesn't effect my purchase decision, but I would prefer a "less German, more British" version of the level.

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kduke wrote:
No argument, Greg.

Some at HQ were just wondering if folks were really perceiving that there were a lot of differences in the new Germans and did not want anyone to be disappointed later. An unhappy customer saying, "I didn't notice that stuff you wrote in plain black and white" is still unhappy.

On the other hand, "No thank you, at this time" is pretty plain language also.



Totally understand Kevin. Believe me, LBG will be getting the majority of my gaming budget in 2013, as I had gotten a lot of other stuff toward the end of 2012 and will be mostly set for quite a while with other games. But considering I blew a good bit of $$ over the last quarter of 2012 on games, I have to start off slower right now with SMG and add throughout the year.
 
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I am in at the British Infiltration Level - and will stay there and support whatever decision is made on this matter...But what about a compromise?

I could see the 'German Reinforcements Level' being replaced by more British troops (although another German Sergeant wouldn't hurt). But I would really like the see the 'German Sharpshooter Level' remain in consideration.

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Greg you are right on the money, I have just spent a good amount of dollars on this game " I love it " and I am a Red Devils custom sergeant kickstarter but would love to see more devils in the kit, I would certainly pay an extra $100 but no more at this stage, " Jeff can we get this as an extra pledge " I already have a lot of Germans and scenery so the extra devils would be fantastic.
 
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kduke wrote:
Gents, I would love to see more responses.

Just to be clear, do you realize that the Germans in the higher levels include some cool things, like the MP44, and snipers with scoped rifles? Specialists? So it's not like getting same-old-same-old...


I'm in anyway and am ok with more Germans...they fight the Brits, Yanks and (maybe down the road) the Russians, so, for me, more Germans right now is not that big of a deal...just my two cents...
 
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Glad to hear it, Mayor.

The new Germans ARE cool (I've always liked the looks and performance of the MP44) and this possible new bundle is not in any way intended to discourage anyone who wants to get the new stuff.

Just checking to see how others feel.
 
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I'd love the new German Snipers or the MP44, but the budget does not allow it and catching up on the current stuff. Unfortunately I believe the kickstarter is the only place for the MP44 right now. I do know that Snipers, Scouts, etc for both U.S. and Germans should be coming out this year and I'm weighing continuing the U.S. story or only going British this year. I'm going in for the hasty positions level right now so I can get the bunkers terrain pack and possibly the British Mortar and Piat.

I truly wish I could have it all, but unfortunately I can't. I'm about to order the Farm and Bridge soon to continue the DoD story. That's money right there that will not go towards the Kickstarter but to the existing line.

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Todd, we know and appreciate everyone's attention to the Day of Day line.

The point of doing a kick starter is to help fund something that is a 'new entry point' and--we all hope-- will greatly increase the number of folks playing SMG in some flavor.

The idea of a special bundle is just reacting to some attracting/barriers we have heard. Recognizing that most of the packages for RD are structured for 'new folks coming in who need everything," we put our heads to thinking about how to make it easier for folks who already do have significant stuff to go to RD, if they want to.

Believe me, Day is not 'done.' You will have options for both coming up this year. And one option is particularly good for people who do have both...
 
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Well.. In for a penny, in for a pound... I'm in for a pound and two schillings. I look forward to the things coming with Red Devils, oh and the February release too...(will that be Scouts and Skirmishers?)
 
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Kevin,

Thanks for all the support you provide us SMG gamers. Don't worry, I plan on getting as many British and go as far up the Kickstarter support chain that I feel I am able. I also appreciate all the new bonuses you are throwing into the campaign.

I hope there will be a great increase in players and maybe even some in my neck of Colorado.

The British only thing sounds good, but I would love the MP44 dude or the Snipers or Skirmishers, etc. if I had the money at this time.

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Is there really a need to put more Germans in the expansion? Can the expansion just not 'unlock' Brit characters through Kickstarter, and then any new Germans characters appear as new fire team packs of 2-4 minis? Naturally you already have advertised the Germans so you can't pull back from that, but in the future...

Seems the "fear" is ending up with so many standard German riflemen that you would never really try and use them all.
 
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Pete Atack wrote:
Is there really a need to put more Germans in the expansion? Can the expansion just not 'unlock' Brit characters through Kickstarter, and then any new Germans characters appear as new fire team packs of 2-4 minis? Naturally you already have advertised the Germans so you can't pull back from that, but in the future...

Seems the "fear" is ending up with so many standard German riflemen that you would never really try and use them all.


Well to be fair Pete, this kickstarter is also aimed at new players looking to get into the game. It's a great opportunity for those new to the game to get a lot of bang for their buck. Those people won't have any issue with having more Germans than they need as believe me, it's always better to have more to choose from for various scenarios. Some leaders they may want to use may have move/hide cards, so they may need to bring in soldiers with extra shoot/look cards to help with balance. They could also have a leader with a lot of shoot/look cards and need to hand pick some soldiers with move/hide cards to balance it out.

Some soldiers will have more kills and you don't want to be limited to only being able to field soldiers with a ton of kills/wounds. So again, mixing certain ones with others will help get a balance you are looking for. If you plan on doing a lot of close combat, then a lot of kills is good. If you want to keep your distance and fight from afar, then fewer kills in your deck is wanted. So there really is a need to have more soldiers available than you will be fielding, that is, if you want to get the most of it and not be disappointed when your same 5 soldiers get clobbered all the time.

But for those of us with a good bit of Germans already from our DoD storyline purchases (I have 19), we will already be getting 5 more Germans with the Red Devils base set. So having the 7 additional ones that would be gotten through the Pathfinder level would get me up to 31 Germans.

Speaking for myself, I think all the extra Germans would be great for some people, particularly new to the game, or with fewer previously purchased Germans, or those with a bigger gaming budget than myself. I just feel that for me, the extra money that would be put toward those extra Germans, would be better spent on either more British or adding to my DoD storyline material.

So there's just a little bit of a juggling act for me with this. I don't want to blow my budget for the year for Red Devils and have nothing left for DoD releases coming up. I'm sure LBG would also like to move their upcoming releases.
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Hahma wrote:
Pete Atack wrote:
Is there really a need to put more Germans in the expansion? Can the expansion just not 'unlock' Brit characters through Kickstarter, and then any new Germans characters appear as new fire team packs of 2-4 minis? Naturally you already have advertised the Germans so you can't pull back from that, but in the future...

Seems the "fear" is ending up with so many standard German riflemen that you would never really try and use them all.


Well to be fair Pete, this kickstarter is also aimed at new players looking to get into the game. It's a great opportunity for those new to the game to get a lot of bang for their buck. Those people won't have any issue with having more Germans than they need as believe me, it's always better to have more to choose from for various scenarios. Some leaders they may want to use may have move/hide cards, so they may need to bring in soldiers with extra shoot/look cards to help with balance. They could also have a leader with a lot of shoot/look cards and need to hand pick some soldiers with move/hide cards to balance it out.

Some soldiers will have more kills and you don't want to be limited to only being able to field soldiers with a ton of kills/wounds. So again, mixing certain ones with others will help get a balance you are looking for. If you plan on doing a lot of close combat, then a lot of kills is good. If you want to keep your distance and fight from afar, then fewer kills in your deck is wanted. So there really is a need to have more soldiers available than you will be fielding, that is, if you want to get the most of it and not be disappointed when your same 5 soldiers get clobbered all the time...


Yes...there are possibly some trade offs...for me, more Germans is okay, as long as the money holds out. Each person really will be making their own decision here and "voting" with their wallets. Just like real life I have some real "crappy" troopers, so getting some better ones would not be a bad thing...
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I'll be happy with my 5 new Germans with RD. A new leader is always awesome, and other new soldiers will be a welcome addition. For every new soldier for either side, there are more possibilities for more squad building options.
 
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