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I've played a few games of ASL here and there, and maybe some card driven war games, but have never really gotten an exact definition. Now I'm not necessarily looking for that definition, but I am wondering...

Is this considered a War Game: Rivet Wars: Eastern Front
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I'm making the popcorn now!
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billyboy wrote:
I'm making the popcorn now!


Before the hatred pours down upon me and my body is dragged through the streets, let me just clarify:

I'm a newer wargamer, I don't know any better.

This isn't just a sly promotion of a kickstarter. Yes I am backing it, yes Id like if you did too, but I'm actually curious if, with or withoutthe skirmish rules, this could be a wargame.

I've been in the military for years, and I still don't understand what a wargame is completely.
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Nate, some of us have been at this for decades, and all I can say is I'm a wargamer and I know what I like. What I might consider a wargame, others might not, and vice versa.

It's like beer or wine. Just enjoy what you like and don't try to analyze it!
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I'm not even going to attempt a definition but

Small World = not a wargame
Risk = not a wargame
Twilight Struggle = not a wargame

Rivet Wars = looks like a wargame.
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If in doubt, it's not a wargame.
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billyboy wrote:
I'm making the popcorn now!


Extra large bag or an entire box?
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knatebaker wrote:
Is this considered a War Game: Rivet Wars: Eastern Front
shake "ConSim"; or whatever 'sans-serious' connotation you could ascribe with "such" as this... "sort" whistle
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Osprey wrote:
billyboy wrote:
I'm making the popcorn now!


Extra large bag or an entire box?


This could take the whole box.
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What the hell, I'll throw my 2 cents in on Rivet Wars: Eastern Front. It's got war and it's a game but it's not my idea of a wargame. whistle
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knatebaker wrote:
I've played a few games of ASL here and there, and maybe some card driven war games, but have never really gotten an exact definition. Now I'm not necessarily looking for that definition, but I am wondering...

Is this considered a War Game: Rivet Wars: Eastern Front


Sure why wouldnt it be?

If you really want to find the definition of what a game is, let alone a wargame. It might be worth starting with a smart man who successfuly clouded the issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_Investigations



 
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OK I'll stick my neck out and offer a definition ...

A wargame (as understood by the long time wargame community) is a game which involves a map and playing pieces (designating military troops) which move on the map to fulfill the victory conditions of the game which usually involve gaining (or keeping) control of certain geographical areas. A wargame is meant to simulate (to a greater or lesser degree) a military conflict which has happened in history or which could have possibly happened.
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Asking ten random people in the wargame subdomain what a wargame is will yield at least a dozen definitions, most of which will be contradictory to one another.
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I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it becomes BGG's wargame of the year. Why not?
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I would say Rivets is a wargame, but those with a really strict definition would say it's not because it's not real world.
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fambans wrote:
I would say Rivets is a wargame, but those with a really strict definition would say it's not because it's not real world.


Are you thinking of Rivets?

knatebaker wrote:

Is this considered a War Game: Rivet Wars: Eastern Front


It looks like a game that caters to Ameritrashers
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billyboy wrote:
I'm making the popcorn now!



I read this a half hour ago and I'm still laughing. Nice.
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Arguing about wargaming *is* the game! The rest is just rules and counters.
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I was going to say something useful, and then, maybe, something clever, but...



...carry on, gents. I'm afraid "wargame definition fatigue" has set in for me.
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A Wargame is a game which generates at least 10 pages of forum fodder. If this forum doesn't go for 10 pages, it wasn't a wargame....whatever it was.
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Is ___________ a wargame?




Edit: I do consider Rivet Wars: Eastern Front to be a wargame, just one that I am not very interested in yet.
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