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Why is it called a civilization game? You are not going through a civilization. It has everything to be a 4X game. Or has a 4X game to be in space?
 
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You do not play as a known civ, but you build one from it's dawn, which is really good!
 
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kackarschen wrote:
Why is it called a civilization game? You are not going through a civilization. It has everything to be a 4X game. Or has a 4X game to be in space?


I've found that people are very caught up in definitions when it comes to this game.

In my only slightly humble opinion, it is a Civilization building 4X game. Seems some people have declared it not to be a "Civilization" game because it doesn't have what they have defined as a "tech tree", or because you don't appear to go through different defined "ages" of Civilization.

From the viewpoint of this long-time 4X and Civilization player, these definitions are amusingly arbitrary.

Clash of Cultures has technological progression represented by a series of defined trees. These tech trees are not as defined as in some games, though quite defined compared to others. Your choices determine the type of civilization you build.

It is most certainly a 4X game. There are 4X games that do not involve the building of a society/civilization and there are games in which you build a society/civilization which have no 4X elements. Clash of Cultures incorporates both.

4X games do not have to be set in space, though some of the earliest examples were.

I hope you find this helpful.
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Thx, very helpful
 
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Plus you really feel like you see civilizations developing. At least I do!
 
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The funny thing is that all Civ games including the computer game are derived from: Civilization . Which covers the exact same period as this game. Has only one type of unit. Has a free form tech tree

This is defiantly a Civ game. In fact this closer to the original then any of its competitors.
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It's a 4X Civ game. The people who claim it's not a Civ game are not doing so on the basis of any defensible definition.

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or because you don't appear to go through different defined "ages" of Civilization.


And that claim isn't even true. CoC does span many eras; it just doesn't make it all the way to modernity.

In terms of Civilization V mechanics, CoC goes through the Ancient, Classical, and Medieval eras and starts the Renaissance. It does not represent the Industrial or Modern periods. To hear some people talk about CoC, you would think it was strictly in the bronze age.

I tend to think that focusing on a limited range of history is better for the game. For example, with the development of internal combustion, flight, artillery, rockets, etc., the distances at which nations act radically change at the industrial era. In Civilization V this introduces absurdities such as Ancient and Classical era Archers being able to "shoot" further than Riflemen because it's necessary to make combat interesting in each era.
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I view 4X more as a mechanic than a genre. Like how Roll Through the Ages is a Civ game with a dice mechanic, CoC is a Civ game with a 4X mechanic. Meaning, a Civ game doesn't have to be bound to a 4X game play.
 
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r0gershrubber wrote:
Misterboy wrote:
or because you don't appear to go through different defined "ages" of Civilization.


And that claim isn't even true. CoC does span many eras; it just doesn't make it all the way to modernity.


Thank you for clarifying my point. whistle The point of my post was to describe the arguments I've heard, and how they are...weird. Apparently in some people's minds you don't go through "ages" unless the game screams, "HEY YOU... you're now in a new age!". Or maybe some people think that everything before the 19th century was one "age"? laugh
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Sid Meier's Civilization the PC game is a 4X game....

CoC is definitely a 4x game (eXplore, eXpand, eXploit, eXterminate)

Both of them are "Civ" games
 
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youperguy wrote:
The funny thing is that all Civ games including the computer game are derived from: Civilization.


Wrong! Sid Meier has repeatedly stated that his Civilization computer game was inspired by Empire and Risk, and that he never played the Civilization boardgame until after his computer game was released. See http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/129947/the_history_of_... .

All of the 'civ' boardgames that were based upon or inspired by the computer game also were not derived from the Civilization boardgame, including Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization, Sid Meier's Civilization: The Boardgame and Sid Meier's Civilization: The Board Game, and yes Clash of Cultures too. Civilization is a great game but it didn't have the influence over modern 'civ' boardgames that the computer Civilization did.
 
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D-Rider wrote:
youperguy wrote:
The funny thing is that all Civ games including the computer game are derived from: Civilization.


Wrong! Sid Meier has repeatedly stated that his Civilization computer game was inspired by Empire and Risk, and that he never played the Civilization boardgame until after his computer game was released. See http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/129947/the_history_of_... .

All of the 'civ' boardgames that were based upon or inspired by the computer game also were not derived from the Civilization boardgame, including Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization, Sid Meier's Civilization: The Boardgame and Sid Meier's Civilization: The Board Game, and yes Clash of Cultures too. Civilization is a great game but it didn't have the influence over modern 'civ' boardgames that the computer Civilization did.


Am I to understand that Civilization, in spite of pre-dating all other "Civilizations", is NOT a civ game? Who makes up these definitions? ;)

I think this is all a very silly argument.

Edit: Added an emoticon to clarify tone.
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r0gershrubber wrote:
D-Rider wrote:
youperguy wrote:
The funny thing is that all Civ games including the computer game are derived from: Civilization.


Wrong! Sid Meier has repeatedly stated that his Civilization computer game was inspired by Empire and Risk, and that he never played the Civilization boardgame until after his computer game was released. See http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/129947/the_history_of_... .

All of the 'civ' boardgames that were based upon or inspired by the computer game also were not derived from the Civilization boardgame, including Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization, Sid Meier's Civilization: The Boardgame and Sid Meier's Civilization: The Board Game, and yes Clash of Cultures too. Civilization is a great game but it didn't have the influence over modern 'civ' boardgames that the computer Civilization did.


Am I to understand that Civilization, in spite of pre-dating all other "Civilizations", is NOT a civ game? Who makes up these definitions?

I think this is all a very silly argument.

Edit: Added an emoticon to clarify tone.


No, why would you come to that conclusion from what you've quoted?
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D-Rider wrote:
youperguy wrote:
The funny thing is that all Civ games including the computer game are derived from: Civilization.


All of the 'civ' boardgames that were based upon or inspired by the computer game also were not derived from the Civilization boardgame, including Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization, Sid Meier's Civilization: The Boardgame and Sid Meier's Civilization: The Board Game, and yes Clash of Cultures too. Civilization is a great game but it didn't have the influence over modern 'civ' boardgames that the computer Civilization did.

I'm not sure how you can say that the original Civ boardgame didn't have a comparable influence... what criteria are you using to make this judgement?
 
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