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So playing an Anarch deck and am on 4 agenda points. I ran on a remote server with Red Herrings on click 3. I accessed the face-down card and its a Priority Requisition. Red Herrings stops me from stealing it - so I trash it instead with Imp.

Then on click 4 I run on Archive for the win!
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Bob Smithy

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Demo-Run'd my way through an Ash the same way once...

"Kill it with fire paintball headshots!"
 
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Hdnggrnchrg wrote:
Demo-Run'd my way through an Ash the same way once...


Huh? Ash doesn't let you access the card at all, so unless you trashed Ash and ran the same server again...
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Iain McAllister
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Yeah you can bypass Red Herrings with Imp as Red Herrings triggers when you steal not when you access. Ash however initiates a trace that prevents anything other than him being accessed so you cannot use Imp to trash any other cards in the server.

Hope that helps

Iain
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you can do the same if accessinf FETAL AI and you cannot pay 2

discard it, then run on archive without NET DAMAGE
 
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ludiqsmacker wrote:
you can do the same if accessinf FETAL AI and you cannot pay 2

discard it, then run on archive without NET DAMAGE


Fetal AI deals 2 net damage when you ACCESS it, you have to access it to trash it with imp, you can't avoid the net damage by trashing it.

Unless i'm mistaken about the timings here because of how Imp is worded. Fetal AI is "When you access Fetal AI..." Imp is "...trash a card you access...".
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If you access FetalAI and can't pay 2, its a good idea to trash it so you can access it later at your leisure without the net damage hitting you again.
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ihmcallister wrote:
Yeah you can bypass Red Herrings with Imp as Red Herrings triggers when you steal not when you access. Ash however initiates a trace that prevents anything other than him being accessed so you cannot use Imp to trash any other cards in the server.

Hope that helps

Iain


Right, and just to be explicit about Red Herrings, even if you use an Imp token to trash Red Herrings, you still need to pay the additional cost on that run, as Red Herrings is explicit that it applies for the duration of the run even if you trash it:

Red Herrings wrote:
Each time the Runner accesses an agenda from this server, he or she must pay 5 [Credits] as an additional cost in order to steal it. This applies even during the run on which the Runner trashes Red Herrings.


There is no concept of "bypassing" upgrades, and the effect of Red Herrings does not require the runner to access Red Herrings itself in order to be in effect.
 
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Wabi Sabi Will

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That's why he trashed the agenda instead, I imagine.
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