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Felipe Velloso
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So, with the arrival of the wave 2, I guess we are just some months away from wave 3 (that I hope it can be showed in Gen Con and released at September or October). The Ship that is in everybody’s list for the new wave is the B-wing (and also the Tie Bomber, but let’s focus on the B-Wing).

With 16 meters in length (4 and half more than the X-wing) it is the biggest and more powerful starfighter that appeared in the movies. So let’s start with some technical diretly from Wookipedia:

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“The B-wing carried an unusually high payload for its size, the largest of any Imperial-era starfighter, due to its designation as an assault fighter. As originally designed, the B-wing carried three ArMek SW-7a light ion cannons, two KrupxMG9 proton torpedo launchers with 8 torpedoes each, one Gyrhil R-9X heavy laser cannon, and two Gyrhil 72 twin autoblasters. Most B-wings had their twoautoblasters replaced with laser cannons to improve survivability and firepower, though some B-wings had four autoblasters. Additional configurations carried a heavy ion cannon, proton torpedoes, auto-blasters and a trio of laser cannons, or three laser cannons, three ion cannons, and twin torpedo launchers. The launcher was also capable of firing advanced proton torpedoes. The starfighter could also carry additional ordinance on hardpoints under the S-foils.

The B-wing was originally designed with a unique fire-control system which fires low-power lasers at a target to give the computer range and vector information for the torpedoes and ion cannons. While its strong deflector shields and great firepower allowed it to be somewhat survivable in fighter engagements, it usually required an escort on the way in. However, with the firepower of many naval corvettes, it fulfilled its purpose as a dangerous foe against many light capital ships.”


For me, I think that is a lot of similarities between the B-Wing and the Firespray, having Ion Cannons, Proton Torpedoes, a Heavy Laser Cannon and Two AutoBlasters. In the end, the only different thing here is the Auto Blaster, that can be a new upgrade made exclusively for the B-wing.

The description of the autoblaster reads:

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“As with modern blaster cannons, the autoblaster produced a high-intensity particle beam that was propelled from the barrel at a target. However, unlike its modern equivalents, the autoblaster fired a salvo of wild bolts, powerful but not extremely accurate. The autoblaster was reintroduced during the Galactic Civil War, now as an updated version of blaster technology. Designed for the B-wing fighter, this modern autoblaster had an even higher rate of fire than other blasters, but was not available to other models until after the Battle of Endor.”


It look a lot like a shotgun effect to me, maybe a secondary weapon that shoots 4 dice re-rolling blanks at range 1 (or only 5 dice), 2 regular dice at range 2 and that can’t be used at range 3.

So now that we have all the weapon slots figured out we could think about the main laser gun. I guess since the B-Wing relied so much in his varied arsenal I would give 2 attack dice for it main gun, maybe 3, but 2 seems better.

Now let’s look for the agility of the starfighter, and a first look at his hulls and shields:

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“The B-wing was designed to replace the aging BTL Y-wing starfighter in the heavy assault role against capital ships, as it had the advantage of more weaponry and stronger shields. However, the B-wing had several weaknesses, notably being difficult to fly and lacking speed and agility, affecting its dogfighting capability. Its large hull furthermore made it an easier target and it also had less armor protection. Consequently, it never fully succeeded supplanting the Y-wing as intended. The B-wing was also expensive to manufacture.

In particular, the rotating hull system made the B-wing a challenge to master. It also made the ship abnormally delicate; too many sharp turns could cause extreme strain to the spaceframe, and the cockpit rotation system could get stuck in one position. Only a few pilots were qualified to fly the ship before the Battle of Endor, resulting in a smaller number of B-wings present than expected. These difficulties forced the Rebel Alliance to invest in an upgraded Y-wing, rather than an entirely new ship, to fulfill their needs.”


Three things can be concluded with this paragraph. The first thing is the B-Wing is probably an agility 1 ship; second, the dial of the ship is really limited, with a lot of reds movements; and finally, the pilots possibly can’t use any Pilot Upgrade with it.

We also know that it has more shields than a Y-wing, but fewer Hull points. The data in the Wookipedia says the B-Wing has 125 shield points, the Y-wing has 75 and the X-wing only 50 points of shielding. So I guess the perfect representation of the B-wing would be 6 or 5 shield points, with a Hull of 4 points, quite a tank for a fighter.

So here is my tentative of creating an accurate B-Wing starfigther:

Primary Attack: 2
Agility: 1
Hull: 4
Shield: 5
Action bar: Target Lock and Focus
Upgrade Bar: Missile, 2 Torpedoes and a BFG (just like Slave I for the Ion Cannon, Heavy Laser Cannon and the AutoBlaster).

The base point for the level 2 pilot would be 24 points without any upgrades (based in the Ship_stas_vs._Points on BGG).

So, what do you guys think about the stats of B-wing? What would you change? Who would be the pilots?
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If memory serves the original B-Wings were really lackluster in comparison to multi-purpose X wing. I always placed them in the same niche category as Y-Wings. And I don't really know what purpose they would serve in a fleet that has Y-Wings. That autoblaster would really have to offer something over the ion cannon of the Y wing.

The B-Wing expanded however with a gunner pilot was an absolute monster. It did have less maneuverability than the Regular B wing, but had so much firepower it was a genuine threat to Imperial Capital ships. I think that would have better utility in the game than the regular B-Wing, something like a smaller less costly version of the Milennium Falcon.
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A lot of interesting ideas have been tossed around in this thread: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/865520/blue-squadron-sta...
 
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If memory serves the original B-Wings were really lackluster in comparison to multi-purpose X wing. I always placed them in the same niche category as Y-Wings. And I don't really know what purpose they would serve in a fleet that has Y-Wings. That autoblaster would really have to offer something over the ion cannon of the Y wing.

The B-Wing expanded however with a gunner pilot was an absolute monster. It did have less maneuverability than the Regular B wing, but had so much firepower it was a genuine threat to Imperial Capital ships. I think that would have better utility in the game than the regular B-Wing, something like a smaller less costly version of the Milennium Falcon.


That´s the role of the B-Wing, it´s a capital assault starfighter.
In a fighter vs fighter engagement it is badly outclassed, like the TIE-Bomber, but it can really pack a punch.
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I would bump its attack value to 3 and hull I would make a 2.
 
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A lot of interesting ideas have been tossed around in this thread: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/865520/blue-squadron-sta...

It's a good thread, but I guess it lacked the input provided by wave 2. Most of the weapons in the B-wing would work better as the upgrades introduced in the Slave I.
 
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I would bump its attack value to 3 and hull I would make a 2.


I still think the B-wing is the biggest starfighter in the rebellion side. If you consider the Old X-wing games, the B-wing had the biggest Hull (60 points against 40 of the Y-wing), even then, I think this is a contradictory information and I would go along the description text that says the B-wing had less hull then an Y-wing. I could see being downsided to 3, but I guess I think it is more resistant then the X-wing, it is 4 meters wider….
 
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The Jakster wrote:
That´s the role of the B-Wing, it´s a capital assault starfighter.


Which means it wouldn't surprise me if the eventual B-Wing/TIE Bomber has abilities that make it particularly effective against the Slave I/Falcon.
 
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felipevelloso wrote:
Who would be the pilots?


I like your analysis of the B-wing.

Here are some pilots I dug up form the Blue Squadron entry on Wookiepedia (I would choose just the first two, if it were up to me):

Merrick Sims (human male, Blue Squadron leader)*

Ten Numb (Sullustan male)*

Palso Thern (human male)

Bowman Gavin (human male)

Keyan Farlander (human male)


 
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I still think the B-wing is the biggest starfighter in the rebellion side. If you consider the Old X-wing games, the B-wing had the biggest Hull (60 points against 40 of the Y-wing), even then, I think this is a contradictory information and I would go along the description text that says the B-wing had less hull then an Y-wing. I could see being downsided to 3, but I guess I think it is more resistant then the X-wing, it is 4 meters wider….


It all depends on the information you want to go by. I know its all fictional anyways, but in the d6 rpg according to the Rebel Alliance sourcebook it has a hull of 3D, X-wing is 4D, and Y-wing is 4D. Also, in the Star Warriors board game the body rating of the B-Wing is 5, X-wing is 6, and Y-wing is 6. Who knows maybe they had to make it out of a lighter metal or something because it needs to spin around. Maybe thats why they gave it alot more shields then the other fighters. It even says in the description you linked that it has less armor protection.
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felipevelloso wrote:
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A lot of interesting ideas have been tossed around in this thread: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/865520/blue-squadron-sta...

It's a good thread, but I guess it lacked the input provided by wave 2. Most of the weapons in the B-wing would work better as the upgrades introduced in the Slave I.


On pages two and three of the thread a lot of users were suggesting that the B-Wing would probably have the Cannon upgrade and Bomb upgrade from Slave-1, which I think is reasonable.


My Best Guess:

Attack: 2
Agility: 1
Shields: 3
Hull: 4
ACTIONS: Target Lock, Focus
Upgrades: Torpedo, Torpedo, Cannon, Bomb

and we'll probably see an Advanced Proton Torpedo (or some alternative form of torpedo upgrades) in its pack.

Pilots:
Keyan Farlander (Skill 7-8)
Merrick Simms (Skill 5-6)
Blue Squadron Pilot (Skill 3-4)
"Test Pilot" or something (Skill 1-2)
 
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Zarash wrote:
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I still think the B-wing is the biggest starfighter in the rebellion side. If you consider the Old X-wing games, the B-wing had the biggest Hull (60 points against 40 of the Y-wing), even then, I think this is a contradictory information and I would go along the description text that says the B-wing had less hull then an Y-wing. I could see being downsided to 3, but I guess I think it is more resistant then the X-wing, it is 4 meters wider….


It all depends on the information you want to go by. I know its all fictional anyways, but in the d6 rpg according to the Rebel Alliance sourcebook it has a hull of 3D, X-wing is 4D, and Y-wing is 4D. Also, in the Star Warriors board game the body rating of the B-Wing is 5, X-wing is 6, and Y-wing is 6. Who knows maybe they had to make it out of a lighter metal or something because it needs to spin around. Maybe thats why they gave it alot more shields then the other fighters. It even says in the description you linked that it has less armor protection.


I'll go with Wookieepedia which states the B-wing had a higher hull value than the Y-wing (60ru vs. 40ru) but was noted as having less armor. This would incline me to say that equal hull rating to the Y is indicated. However, while five shields is clearly what the B would have, five shields and five hull seems excessive; so, taking the hull down to four seems the best balance. Two hull makes zero sense IMHO.

I think the OP is bang on with the stats.
 
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I think it could be possible for the b wing to have a upgrade of "heavy ion cannons" or "triple ion cannons" being that it has 3 ion cannons . Maybe causeing 2 ion tokens or attacking with 4 dice or both maybe for 5 points (it is fixed fire arc foward). any idea's if that could be accurate or work in the game?
 
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you are reading the speed max statistic from starwarriors. body statistic is awing 4, xwing 5, ywing 6, bwing 9, slave1 13, millfalcon 20. i think the b wing will propbably have 5 body, 4 shileds. star warriors lists bwing wing as 4 shields 4 aux power, slave1 as 6 shields 3 aux power. aux power could be used instead of shields at certain times. y wing 2 shield no aux power.
 
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