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I hate to ask, but I couldn't find any old post dealing with this issue specifically.

I decided to venture into the crazy world of paper maps via CC and Red Winter. Without getting into a debate about mounted/unmounted, can anyone tell me if crease wear is a problem long term?

I feel like, without back-bebding, I won't play a single map enough times to wear it out (I can barely play a single game enough times to learn it!), but I do like a crisp looking game. Since I have plenty of plexi, I rather not use poster frames to keep them flat, unless crease wear IS bad among maps. Otherwise, I like the idea of not fooling with the frames when I have good plexi around.

So, is this fear unfounded, or should I learn to live with some crease wear after a few plays?
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Crease wear is probably inevitable.

I like the way you're thinking. Just enjoy the game. In an earlier phase of my life I wanted to keep hex-and-counter wargames pristine with little or no sign of wear and a minimum amount of marking.

After I realized that this system was essentially saving the game for somebody else to enjoy later... Well, now I write on the backs of the counters, mark the maps, don't bother to use plexiglass, etc.
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I like plexi just because it helps me play the game. It is really annoying to have counters falling all over the place on a crease or when there is a really tough fold that gets pushed down during play and sends counters flying everywhere. Happened last weekend with Afrika (second edition). King Philip's War has been much easier to play without it, but I still need to get some more plexi.

I left mine at someone's house a couple weeks back, and they live far away. Not sure when I will be getting those back.

Off to Home Depot I go this weekend.

Enjoy the games!
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Creased maps, dog-eared pages of the rulebooks, worn out counters and cards, these only show the affection for the game. It's like a beloved book you've read too many times.

Embrace it.
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I always carefully back-fold all the maps before I play a game with paper maps. This means fold them the opposite way from the way they were originally folded, then unfold them. This makes them lie flat.

When you put the game back in the box, fold the maps the original way.
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pete belli wrote:
Crease wear is probably inevitable.

I like the way you're thinking. Just enjoy the game. In an earlier phase of my life I wanted to keep hex-and-counter wargames pristine with little or no sign of wear and a minimum amount of marking.

After I realized that this system was essentially saving the game for somebody else to enjoy later... Well, now I write on the backs of the counters, mark the maps, don't bother to use plexiglass, etc.


I agree with Pete. Except I use plexiglass/glass for ease of play, not to protect the maps.

I do sleeve cards in games I play a lot (Command and Colors and twilight Struggle come to mind) but that is _both_ for protection and because I find cards easier to shuffle in "Card condoms" (using a mush shuffle.)
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Sidewynnder wrote:
... it helps me play the game. It is really annoying to have counters falling all over the place on a crease or when there is a really tough fold that gets pushed down during play and sends counters flying everywhere.


Another vote for plexiglass as play aid. Wear and tear on components is a given, plexi eliminates 'back-bending'of maps, and all stacks of counters are moved on the same plane.

And it always seems that the most important terrain sits in the middle of the map, on one, or more folds.
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You'll get small amounts of wear on very few playings.
You may need to backfold with plexi too though.

In general, I don't play many games to get enough wear to bother
me - but there are a few that sadden me.
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And crack creme...

Actually I solved this issue by buying up lots poster frames over time and then just keeping the paper boards I use frequently in them semi-permanently. I must have about 25 of them by now which I keep stacked up under a bed. That way I never have to worry about crease wear for my well played games. Probably added about $12-$14 bucks a game, however I haven't had to buy any more frames, because a number of the CDGs that originally had paper boards went to mounted ones making those frames available.
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Buy a second copy for those games that are played so often that map-wear is a problem.
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calandale wrote:
You'll get small amounts of wear on very few playings.
You may need to backfold with plexi too though....


That is why I use glass for home use, the weight eliminates any need for backfolding.
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Given the number of games that I have - and the number that I would like to have, game degradation is not a large issue for me.

Realistically, I will get a game out once, maybe twice a year - with the exceptions of some of the smaller quicker ones (Ancient Battles Deluxe or World at War: Eisenbach Gap) so the chances of any significant damage is almost non-existent.

Oh, and I use Plexi as a play aid - I like the maps flat - not as a preservation device.
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I use plexi and only sweat drinks on the table.
 
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I keep my often used maps in an artists case, always stay flat that way an never need to backfold.
Have to qualify that by saying that most of them are CC:E size so fit perfectly.
 
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Look into art portfolios.

I keep all my Combat Commander maps unfolded and flat in something like these:

http://www.amazon.com/Martin-Portfolio-20-Inch-26-Inch-2-Inc...

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Products-Classic-Portfolio-20-Inc...

Check out local art/hobby supply stores. The one I have is nice as it's a clam shell style so it zippers along the top and sides and opens wide so I'm not sliding anything in.

I've also bought a few top-loaders. These are thin poster holders, no annoying frames to deal with. I use them for my more frequently played games and they store really well along a wall behind a bookcase or something or in a closet.

Here are some examples... can't recall which one I got, one type was for me the other where I work:

http://www.displays2go.com/Product.aspx?ID=17060

http://www.displays2go.com/Product.aspx?ID=17061
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Map creases on non-glossy stock will not deteriorate as fast as glossy stock. The clay used to create the glossy finish will start to crack after a few plays.
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Eric Brosius wrote:
I always carefully back-fold all the maps before I play a game with paper maps. This means fold them the opposite way from the way they were originally folded, then unfold them. This makes them lie flat.

When you put the game back in the box, fold the maps the original way.


I always back fold paper maps (carefully). I'm pretty sure they told you to in the rules for S&T and SPI games. Its standard operating procedure. I'm constantly amazed when I see pictures of maps that haven't been back folded or hear folks complaining about creases. all I can say to them is DUH!
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billyboy wrote:
Eric Brosius wrote:
I always carefully back-fold all the maps before I play a game with paper maps. This means fold them the opposite way from the way they were originally folded, then unfold them. This makes them lie flat.

When you put the game back in the box, fold the maps the original way.


I always back fold paper maps (carefully). I'm pretty sure they told you to in the rules for S&T and SPI games. Its standard operating procedure. I'm constantly amazed when I see pictures of maps that haven't been back folded or hear folks complaining about creases. all I can say to them is DUH! :D


What amused me was AH's response to people breaking their really
crappy 80's era mounted maps by trying to backfold them - essentially
asking why anyone would do that. It's because the damned things
wouldn't lie flat.
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Hmmmm, so based on the comments, I think I will get 1 frame and put all my CC stuff in it, then when I want to play just pop it open and find the map I need.

All other maps I'll just place back into the box.
 
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usrlocal wrote:


... plexiglass makes a world of difference:



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My solution, all CC:E and CC maps plus Pack 4 flattened in one frame.The sides pop right off and I can slide what map I need under some plexiglass.

I might do this for all maps that are the same size. I don't want a frame for every game, but this seems like a good compromise.
 
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