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This is a little off-topic for this site, but there's a good chance someone here can help me. I'm trying to remember the name of a mainframe computer dungeon crawl game I played in the early '80s. The graphics were entirely ASCII characters. It's hard to duplicate the look in this text space, but a room with you and a vampire might look something like this:

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If anyone knows what this game was called, please help me out.
Thanks.
 
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Hack.

There were dozens of variations.
 
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Yep. That's Hack, all right.

If you enjoy Hack, be sure to check out Angband - personally, I love Angband far more than Hack.

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Re: Mainframe Computer Dungeon Crawl Game from the Early '80
Second the suggestion on Angband. If you ever played Hack, Moria or Nethack, Angband is the game for you. There are a ton of variants out there, but "vanilla" Angband is a good place to start. My personal favorite variant is ZAngband. (The Chaos Warrios are just so dang fun)
 
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Re: Mainframe Computer Dungeon Crawl Game from the Early '80
Depending if it was really early 80s it could have been Rogue, otherwise as others have said Hack. I cannot remember if Rogue had vampires.

The game lives on today as nethack which you can download and play (even on modern graphical machines).

 
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Check out http://roguelikedevelopment.org/

There is a 'roguelike links' area that has some of the more popular roguelike games out there.

I had Moria and some other one for the Palm IIIc for a while that was a blast to play.

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Re: Mainframe Computer Dungeon Crawl Game from the Early '80
Jeff wrote:
There are a ton of variants out there, but "vanilla" Angband is a good place to start. My personal favorite variant is ZAngband. (The Chaos Warrios are just so dang fun)


I love ToME (http://www.t-o-m-e.net), a rogue-like that started from Angband, but is slowly moving away from the Angband code base. It's themed in Middle Earth, hence the name - Tales of Middle Earth or Troubles of Middle Earth depending on the maintainer's mood.

From the site's main page:
"Tales of Middle Earth (ToME) is a fantasy adventure game, based on the works of J.R.R. Tolkien. It is a game that emphasizes intricate, challenging, and varied gameplay over graphics. Hundreds of different monsters in randomly-generated, unpredictable dungeons will strive to slay you by various means, and you counter - if you survive - by developing the skills of your choice and wielding mighty artifacts. ToME's races from Hobbit to Troll and classes from Swordmaster to Summoner allow for many different playing styles and a replay value that extends through years.

The only game so realistic that your scrolls and spell books will burn if you trudge in lava (unless you have gained immunity from some armour), you will dry up rivers to cast mighty spells, strike at orcs with blades attuned to slay them specifically, summon armies from a simple totem, and even forge your own artifacts. There is an entire community to help you with the game, and it is far from static - ToME is a developing game, always improving. And best of all, it's free."

There's a huge following for Angband, its variants and character ladders here: http://angband.oook.cz/

I'm also a bit biased towards ToME as I volunteer my time, what little I have, to code for it.
 
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Re: Mainframe Computer Dungeon Crawl Game from the Early '80
I played the version called Larn a lot. I don't know the differences in that and Hack.
 
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Re: Mainframe Computer Dungeon Crawl Game from the Early '80
Hack, Rogue, Moria, Larn and Angband are/were some of the more common variants, but there are many others.
 
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davidme wrote:
I played the version called Larn a lot. I don't know the differences in that and Hack.


I played Larn a great deal as well (in high school).

It is another ASCII rougelike game. You have a time limit in which to accomplish some mission. Find the potion and save the girl I believe (its been a while).

I don't recall many of the differences either. Larn is a bit simpler or at least the version I played was. You do get a home base at the top of the dungeon. Which I don't think Nethack did at the time. Not an expert on that though so could easily be wrong.

Larn was a game that more or less stayed outside the MSDOS/Windows world. Though there was at least one DOS version. I don't know if there was a Windows version but I imagine there was at some point.

It was pretty decent in its day (and for its genre).
 
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Wow, that's a lot of responses real fast. Thank you all very much. "Rogue" is the title that sounds familiar, so I think it was that one.
Off to check out what's available now...
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Re: Mainframe Computer Dungeon Crawl Game from the Early '80
If you'd still like to play Rogue you can find it for Windows here:
http://www.prankster.com/winrogue/

and for Linux with KDE here:
http://ksi.ii.uj.edu.pl/krogue/

Also, here's some additional history on Rogue from some of the people involved:
http://home.wanadoo.nl/loche/rogue/index.html
http://www.wichman.org/roguehistory.html


 
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Re: Mainframe Computer Dungeon Crawl Game from the Early '80
Nethack is the best because, well, it has pets. Pets are cool.

It's hard to argue with that.
 
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I was never patient enough to get the stupid little dog to go downstairs with me, and then if you have to go back up, he's waiting for you and highly irritated that you abandoned him.
 
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Half the time I could never end that game because I couldn't see the comma Amulet of Yendor amongst all those damned periods.
 
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Re: Mainframe Computer Dungeon Crawl Game from the Early '80
I am a big roguelike fan, too. I started playing back with the original rogue and still play them regularly now. Very addictive games.

I would second a lot of the recommendations above. Here are my comments:

Nethack (http://www.nethack.org/)
This was my favorite roguelike for a long time. It can be very silly at times with tourists, t-shirts, and kitchen sinks, but that is part of its charm.

Angband/Zangband (http://www.thangorodrim.net/)
I really got into these for a while. Of the two, I would suggest Angband to someone who is new to roguelikes (or who has been gone for a while) because I think Zangband has an extra level of complexity on top of it, but overall I liked Z more than vanilla.

ADOM (http://www.adom.de/)
I got into this one for a while, too. It has a very detailed story and expansive world to explore. It is also has a fairly complex skill system .

TOME (http://t-o-m-e.net/)
Never played it so I cannot comment, but I have heard a lot of buzz on the rec.games.roguelike.* newsgroups that seems very positive.

Crawl (http://www.dungeoncrawl.org/)
This is currently my favorite roguelike. In particular, I like the open-ended character development.

There are literally dozens of roguelike games out there, even a newer one based on the first person shooter DOOM. You pretty much just have to try them out and see which ones strike your fancy.
 
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