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im a n00b to these forums here so u guys will probably pwnzor me but i have a bunch of questions.

Basically what are the given things to know about board games
i heard people talking about "upgrading to the europe games" or something like that
are those games known to be good?
whats the most expensive board game (out of print) of all time
just basic vocabulary and knowledge for the gaming world, thanks
 
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Re: total n00b with a feaver, only perscripton, new infomati
as far as the basic vocabulary goes, n00b and pwnzor probably don't fit here. I don't know many here who are into the 133t type of talk.

But welcome to the site.
 
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Re: total n00b with a feaver, only perscripton, new infomati
r3n0 wrote:
just basic vocabulary and knowledge for the gaming world, thanks


http://www.boardgamegeek.com/gameglossary.htm
 
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as far as the basic vocabulary goes, n00b and pwnzor probably don't fit here. I don't know many here who are into the 133t type of talk.



PWN3D!!!!










Sorry. I promise to never ever EVER do that again.
 
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I recommend reading the entry on Wikipedia for German-style board games, which can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-style_board_games

For a good intro, you should watch the episode of Scott Nicholson's vlog called "Board Games 101," which is available at:
http://boardgameswithscott.blogspot.com/

You should also check out old issues of The Games Journal, available at:
http://www.thegamesjournal.com/

For buying eurogames, you've got to know about the following link:
http://www.michaelareed.com/boardgamesearch/

For reading a good blog, you should go to:
http://boredgamegeeks.blogspot.com/

For playing these types of board games online, check out:
http://www.brettspielwelt.de/ and also http://www.spielbyweb.com/

For listening to Podcasts about boardgames, check out:
Boardgames To Go; Dice Tower; GeekSpeak; and Have Games, Will Travel
(see http://www.columbia.edu/cu/csss/csss-other-resources.html for links to these podcasts)

To see which games have won Awards, check out:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/csss/csss-other-resources-awards....
(and also http://www.funagain.com/control/awards)

After you've checked out all of those, then you're well on your way to becoming a BoardGameGeek. Enjoy!
 
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Re: total n00b with a feaver, only perscripton, new infomati
r3n0 wrote:
im a n00b to these forums here so u guys will probably pwnzor me but i have a bunch of questions.

Basically what are the given things to know about board games
i heard people talking about "upgrading to the europe games" or something like that
are those games known to be good?
whats the most expensive board game (out of print) of all time
just basic vocabulary and knowledge for the gaming world, thanks


Hello Cody,
Welcome to the geek! As you'll have gathered from the above, nobody will have a clue what you're asking if you use l33t. We're not snobs, we're just more of a regular crowd here. You will find lots of people willing to answer your questions, so don't dismiss us too quickly.

What are the given things? Well, we look at board games in various ways. What weight is the game? That is, is it a light game, medium or heavy? A light game would be a very quick, very easy, fun game. You might play a light game at the start of your session to get people in a good mood and kick things off, or you might play a light game after something heavy (a long complex game) to clear your palette. A light game runs about 10 or 15 minutes say. Medium games are ones which run about 1 to 2 hours, are generally aimed at families, but are not so simple as to be childish. A heavy game might run 3+ hours and require a good deal of forethought and planning to win.

We also consider a game's mechanisms. What makes the game work? Some games use placement of tiles or objects, some involve trading or bartering or auctions, some are driven by dice, or card decks, or action points being spent. Knowing a games' mechanisms gives you an idea of its style, whether you might like it.

We also like to know the game designer's name. many designers will produce a lot of games, and if you like one of their games, you'll probably like their other games (although this is far from guaranteed).

Upgrading to Eurogames? A biiiiig subject and you'll find various threads on it here. I'll try and find the links in a minute. Basically, there are dozens of great new modern board and card games coming mostly out of Germany. German games are radically different from what you'll be familiar with. A lot of the top rated games are German, and they have ideas and methods that have changed our view of a board game. Personally, I do see a difference between US and German games, in that US games tend to be rules heavy, but German games tend to have very simple rules sets, but the complexity comes from players' decisions.

The big game you'll find every one calls a gateway game is Die Siedler von Catan (Settlers Of Catan). If you've not played this yet, do so. There are several US publishers producing US editions of german games, and a lot of the game pages now have the US title. But look at the alternate names and you'll find the games were originally German. In fact, almost all German games are languge free. Once you have the rules, you don't need to know any German to actaully play them.

Are they known to be good? Damn right they are! Check this link:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/browser.php?itemtype=game&sortb...
The top 8 games on the geek are German. That's after thousands of players have rated them.

The most expensive game? You have just missed the chance to buy a 3D edition of Settlers for what, USD300?
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/17419

Welcome to the geek Cody! Your life has just changed for the better!
 
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Re: total n00b with a feaver, only perscripton, new infomati
Here are some more threads on the same topic:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/89711
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/89926
 
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rodspade wrote:
r3n0 wrote:
just basic vocabulary and knowledge for the gaming world, thanks


http://www.boardgamegeek.com/gameglossary.htm

For a short take on the euro game concept, see the entry under "German games." That little blurb is a little misleading, though, as it makes it sound like all euros are family-oriented, which is not necessarily the case. Some are fairly complicated, opaque and/or cutthroat.

The qualities that people look for in a good German game is a limited playing time coupled with a lot of tough decision-making and heavy interaction between players. It's uncommon for a euro to go longer than two hours, and ideally every turn is important. That definition of German game also mentions "simple rules," but it would probably be more accurate to say "streamlined rules." American games and war games tend to have a lot of exceptions and extra stuff to add realism (for example, in a wargame two different types of tank might have slightly different rules applying to reflect the historical realities); euro games usually shy away from extra rules for effect, and as a consequence they tend to be a little more abstract in feel.

Another important part of the concept is replayability. Usually the games are constructed such that one playing will take a different course from the next; compare that with a game like Axis and Allies, where the entire table might decide to employ precisely the same strategies of the previous game with only the die rolls making a difference, or Risk, where someone always masses in Australia for the late-game push.

As for expensive games, one of the most rare is Das Wasser des Lebens, which was a special whiskey-making-themed version of Settlers of Catan made especially for a particular distillery. Here's a list of some other pricy games: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist.php3?action=view&listi...
 
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r3n0 wrote:
im a n00b to these forums here so u guys will probably pwnzor me


Depends on who answers. Most people here are nice.

r3n0 wrote:

Basically what are the given things to know about board games


Play a couple of them and see which ones you like. Just like with video games or music. You could use this site's gamer database to find people who live near you, and ask them if they'll teach you a couple games.

r3n0 wrote:

i heard people talking about "upgrading to the europe games" or something like that
are those games known to be good?


Yes, they are good. They are good because they give you interesting choices while you play.
There are very many, so you will like some and not like others.

r3n0 wrote:

whats the most expensive board game (out of print) of all time


I will sell you my copy of Samurai Swords for sixty seven billion dollars (price slightly negotiable).


r3n0 wrote:

just basic vocabulary and knowledge for the gaming world,

Games on this site are organized by "mechanic" and "theme" You can explore the mechanics of different games, and you'll have the vocabulary down without even trying.

r3n0 wrote:
thanks


have fun.
 
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Hi there,

So, there's so much to know about board games, that it's hard to answer a general question. Nevertheless:

FIND A GAME GROUP OR EVENT
I would suggest that you find someone to play with, and just start having fun. By talking with others in a social setting, you learn more than you need. MOST gamers are social, and really enjoy talking about games, from basic concepts to obscure trivia. Many cities have a small gaming group open to anyone. There groups meet at homes or bookstores, and although it may seem odd to just show up and play, that's exactly what you do, and MOST groups are very open to new players. We love games, and will play with anyone willing to sit there (sometimes we even force those you don't want to play to sit there and pretend they like it :-). Finally, there are usually gaming events in larger cities. These conferences usually have open gaming rooms where few people know each other, but they are all excited to get a game going. Many times people go to these events just to learn a ton of new games, and you can get lots of information about what you might like, and what you might dislike.


READ THE GEEK
There a ton of resources on this site. The forums, geeklists, etc. have just about anything you'd want to know. And for each game, the geek has a load of specific content. If you just start browsing the most active list, or the most popular lists, or the "hot" lists, then you'll quickly develop a general knowledge of gaming. Many of these resources are geared toward things like, "hey, I like game X, so could everyone give me games I'd also like." Finally, if you're thinking about buying/playing a game, reading a few GOOD session reports, should give you a feel for what the game will be like (i.e. is it a competitive game, a long game, a game with slow turns, etc.).

LEARN THE VOCAB AND GAME TYPES
I guess the first thing to know is that there are several types of games. For example, there's abstract strategy (like chess, or go), where there is really no theme. There are great games like where theme dominates play (like formula de - car racing, or win, place, show - horse racing, or lunch money - girls fighting in a play ground). There are war games (usually two player games, where one army fights another, with some great exceptions). There are RPG's (role playing games which are usually cooperative) and LARP (live action role playing which approaches acting). There are dexterity games where you test you skill at flipping things, throwing things, balancing things, and sliding things. There are games where you build stuff and get to play with lots of pieces, economic games with stocks and bonds or some detailed money mechanisms, network games where you build track or roads or delivery routes, etc.

In addition, there's a concept called game weight, which is very standardized, but should give you a general sense of how deeply you can think in the game, how many choices you'll have to make and the complexity of those choices, and also how difficult/long the game is.

I think you're starting to get why the general questions are hard to answer?

EURO GAMES
I'll probably start a little bit of a debate here, but for me, this term doesn't really mean that much these days. Historically, as video games dominate the gaming economy, US game makers (with exceptions) made simple kids games. During these dark ages, the Europe game makers continued to advance the world of board games, and continued to make games better suited to adults and social gaming evenings. In those days, the term Euro game really meant games from Europe.

The term is losing its specificity as US companies make Europe styled games, and vice versa. So now, I think you are much better off learning words that really describe classes and categories of games.

That said, basically, this concept describes a game that is different from those you played when you were a kid (Candyland, Life, Monopoly). The games tend NOT to include a bunch of die rolls, and random luck (even easy Euros include easy choices where you tend to control some aspect of your fate). The games tend to have simple game mechanisms that still provide elegant and sometimes very thought provoking choices. For example, many of these games balance one aspect with another so that players cannot just worry about one thing, or many of these games require balanced play by requiring scoring in several categories. The games tend to be better designed in terms of production quality and game play, which tends to lead to a more immersive feel and a greater connection to the theme of the game.

MOST EXPENSIVE OUT OF PRINT GAME
This question is great for a geek list, and has probably been answered many times before. I am sure the answer changes as reprints come out, or as the gaming world gets obsessed with a new game. A few really expensive out of print games come to mind - Republic of Rome, Hannibal v. Carthage, Dark Tower, and Roads and Boats.

I am sure there are others that are more obscure and more expensive; I'm just not a collector, so this isn't my area of expertise.

HAVE FUN LEARNING AND GAMING

For me, learning is half the fun :-)
 
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I still can't work out what "pwnzor" means. But then I am the kind of guy that makes sure that his text messages are gramatically correct.

I do know a good Euro when I see one though. If you want to build a basic sound foundation for a collection go for:

"Settlers of Catan" - a classic that every gamer should know and love.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/13

"Carcassonne" is another staple that needs to be in every collection.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/822
(although the "Hunters and Gathereres" version is probably a better game)
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/4390

My final recommendation for a "n00b" would be "San Juan" - kind of like a 'Puerto Rico lite'. I got it though the site for Christmas and I have to say I have been very taken by it.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/8217

All those games come very highly rated. Be warned though, once you have opened pandora's box it isn't getting closed again.

Now about "pwnzor"...
 
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Welcome to the site, Cody.

Now, I've read the glossary and had already understood most of the terms there, but don't know what FLGS is. I assumed __ local game store, but is it a friendly one? Furry?

Please help!
 
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Here is t3h 1337 geeklist of games for n00bs.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist.php3?action=view&listi...

Pwnz0r3d by t3h m33p13 meeple
 
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Alan,
I have no clue whatsoever what "pwnzor" means either.

Trent,
The F in FLGS stands for "friendly."

Cody,
Hope the links I provided help some.

 
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lolz phil is teh mang.

I was speaking l33t for comedic purposes, i hope no one took offense. I was actually putting myself down

First off i wanna say this webpage is AWESOME, very very helpful and everyone here seams to be very nice. Thanks a LOT for all the info, i appriciate it, the gold diapers fit nicely

Since i became a member ive been reading reviews, printing games and cutting them out constantly!

Well i better read all those helpful links, thanks again!
 
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Jokes that only became relevant since 1965 won't fly for the most part here on the geek. Boardgaming is about as musty and slow-moving as hobbies get. Apparently the Penny Arcade crowd and the people who wear sweaters with animals on them that tend to play boardgames don't mix very well. So keep your gosh darned hippety hop records down and pull your pants up and remember: everything you say and do will offend someone here.
 
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MOST EXPENSIVE OUT OF PRINT GAME
This question is great for a geek list, and has probably been answered many times before. I am sure the answer changes as reprints come out, or as the gaming world gets obsessed with a new game. A few really expensive out of print games come to mind - Republic of Rome, Hannibal v. Carthage, Dark Tower, and Roads and Boats.


I'm going to guess Jati.
 
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r3n0 wrote:
so u guys will probably pwnzor me


I'd dis you if I could grok you.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwnzor

You're as welcome as a first round Mistress.
 
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"So keep your gosh darned hippety hop records down and pull your pants up and remember: everything you say and do will offend someone here."
fo shizzle

i gotta vote, whats better,
1)Carcassonne
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2) The Settlers of Catan?

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yea its hard to catch up with the FRM in St. Petersburg.
 
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John,
Thanks for the Urban Dictionary link. Is l33t the name of an entire Internet lanaguage? Is it simply things like LOL and TTYL and WTF run amok?

Cody,
Get both Carcassonne and Settlers of Catan, they're both excellent, and good introductions to two very different mechanics (tile-laying and trading/negotiating/resource management).

 
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John,
Thanks for the Urban Dictionary link. Is l33t the name of an entire Internet lanaguage? Is it simply things like LOL and TTYL and WTF run amok?


Nope, LOL and OMG and ROTFLMAO are chat abbreviations. 13375p33k or however they write it is more from on-line computer games, and is typically used by teenagers. I think it originated amongst hackers, or h4><0rz I think it is. In fact, here's a reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

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Cody,
Get both Carcassonne and Settlers of Catan, they're both excellent, and good introductions to two very different mechanics (tile-laying and trading/negotiating/resource management).


I'd go for Settlers, but that's me. Both would be good too.
 
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i would like to get both but im low on cash, ill get them when i start making money again :/
 
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Welcome to the site.

I'll put in a vote for Settlers over Carcassone too - there's more planning, player interaction, and playing the odds.

In Carcassone I always feel like I'm sitting around waiting for the right tile; I find it pretty boring.
 
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