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Hi all, Here is the top4 lists from the Regionals in Tucson last weekend. My good friends from the Mozu Report will have a video going up with some coverage that i'll post in the video forum either today or tomorrow and i'll also have the Lists from the Regionals in Phoenix this weekend(Hopefully with lists from yours truly in the "1st place" spot)

David Hammond - 1st Place

Identity: Weyland Constortium: Because We Built It
2 Aggressive Negotiation
3 Caduceus
2 Chimera
3 Commercialization
2 Data Raven
3 Draco
2 False Lead
1 Ghost Branch
2 Government Contracts
2 Hostile Takeover
1 Hunter
3 Ice Will
2 Melange Mining Co
2 Power Grid Overload
3 Private Security Force
2 Project Atlas
2 Scorched Earth
2 Sea Source
1 Security Subcontract
3 Shadow
3 Snare

Identity: Noise: Hacker Extraordinaire
2 Armitage Codebusting
2 Crypsis
3 Cyberfeeder
2 Datasucker
2 Deja Vu
2 Demolition Run
3 Diesel
2 Djinn
2 Dyson Memory Chip
3 Forged Activation Orders
1 Grimoire
1 Ice Carver
3 Infiltration
3 Imp
3 Liberated Account
2 Medium
3 Parasite
2 Stimhacks
1 Sure Gamble
2 Test Run
2 Wyrm

Nick Sandberg - 2nd Place

Identity: Haas-Bioroid: Engineering the Future
3 Accelerated Beta Test
3 Adonis Campaign
3 Archived Memories
3 Biotic Labor
2 Chimera
2 Corporate Troubleshooter
3 False Lead
3 Green Level Clearance
3 Hedge Fund
3 Heimdall 1.0
3 Ichi 1.0
2 Janus 1.0
2 Mandatory Upgrade
2 Oversight AI
1 Priority Requisition
3 Project Vitruvius
2 Red Herrings
3 Rototurret
3 Tollbooth
3 Viktor 1.0
2 Wall of Static

Identity: Chaos Theory: Wunderkind
3 All Nighter
2 Battering Ram
1 Crypsis
3 Diesel
2 Dinosaurus
3 Femme Fatale
2 Gordian Blade
3 Infiltration
3 Inside Job
3 Magnum Opus
2 Modded
1 Nerve Agent
3 Personal Workshop
2 Public Sympathy
3 Test Run
2 The Makers Eye
2 Tinkering
Justin Beal – Top 4

Identity: Weyland Consortium: Because We Built It
2 Aggressive Secretary
3 Archer
3 Beanstalk Royalties
2 Chimera
3 Commercialization
2 Data Raven
3 Draco
2 Government Contract
3 Green Level Clearance
2 Hedge Fund
3 Hostile Takeover
3 Ice Wall
2 Posted Bounty
3 Priority Requisition
3 Scorched Earth
2 Shadow
3 Shipment From Kaguya
2 Shipment From Mirror Morph
3 Wood Cutter

Identity: Kate “Mac” McCaffrey: Digital Tinker
3 Armitage Codebusting
2 Battering Ram
3 Diesel
2 Dinosaurus
3 Easy Mark
2 Gordian Blade
1 Ice Carver
3 Infiltration
2 Lemuria Codecracker
2 Liberated Accounts
1 Magnum Opus
2 Pipeline
1 Plascrete Carapace
3 Rabbit Hole
3 Sure Gamble
3 Test Run
3 The Maker's Eye
1 The Personal Touch
1 The Helpful AI
3 Underworld Contact
1 Wyldside
David Koenig – Top 4

Identity: NBN: Making News
3 Aggressive Secretary
3 Ash 2X3ZB9CY
3 Astro Script Pilot Program
1 Breaking News
2 Closed Accounts
3 Data Raven
3 Draco
3 Enigma
3 Hedge Fund
2 Marked Accounts
3 Matrix Analyzer
3 Melange Mining Corp
2 Private Security Force
3 Restructured Datapool
3 San San City Grind
3 TMI
3 Uroboros
3 Viper

Identity: Chaos Theory: Wunderkind
2 Battering Ram
2 Dinosaurus
3 Emergency Shutdown
3 Forged Activation Orders
2 Gordian Blade
3 Magnum Opus
3 Modded
2 Pipeline
2 Plascrete Carapace
3 Stimhack
3 Sure Gamble
3 Test Run
3 The Maker's Eye
3 The Personal Touch
3 Tinkering
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Interesting, no criminals in the top 4?
 
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Ethereality wrote:
Interesting, no criminals in the top 4?


Also interesting, no Noise Workshop!
 
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and Weylands are using the new id. Boy I'd say we took a wrong turn into wacky-opposite-ville!
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shazzner wrote:
and Weylands are using the new id. Boy I'd say we took a wrong turn into wacky-opposite-ville!

The new Weyland ID isn't popular in your local meta? Most people I know switched over immediately.
 
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Thanks for posting! About how many participants were there?
 
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Skylar114 wrote:
shazzner wrote:
and Weylands are using the new id. Boy I'd say we took a wrong turn into wacky-opposite-ville!

The new Weyland ID isn't popular in your local meta? Most people I know switched over immediately.

I haven't encountered anyone playing it either. My local meta is fairly small and disjointed, but still.
 
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New Weyland ID is marginally better than the other in many many cases. When i build a weyland deck I build it how I like, play a few games with the one i suspect that fits best and then see which identity is better by calculating average savings for each.

Also, saving a credit is usually better than earning one on an action.
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I've only played one and it didn't fair too well. I think there was a consensus, at least with our local group, that the extra credit gives greater utility than a free advance.

What I do see, is every Weyland add in Green Level Clearance.
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Counting the influence, I believe the first place used only 1x Test Run.
 
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Actually it provides less utility.

This doesn't strictly apply to Weyland ID but I do want to explain my reasoning.

Saving a credit allows you to do that action with one credit less than before. If you were to earn a credit on that action it would have the exact same effect, and you would have the same credit total, but you would have to have one more credit to do that action.

Also specifically with the weyland identity using Building a better world makes you include transaction cards to gain the effect. Using Because we build it allows you more freedom with building a deck. Sure, you could just not include advancable ice, but ice wall is pretty standard and Hadrians is a pretty good as well.

Remember that the sum of your transaction operations in BABW is your maximum. Rarely do you ever play all your transaction operations.

Just remember there isn't one identity that's better than the other, just optimal identities for your deck and suboptimal ones.
 
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Hey I don't disagree with you at all, I just never play Weyland and the ones that do are convinced. whistle
 
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the added utility comes from the fact that you are advancing your ice, not really the fact that advancing your ice is cheap/free.
 
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Really it's a wash unless you advance your ice more often than you'd use transactions. If you do, it worked well. If not, less well.
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CrimsonWraith wrote:
Thanks for posting! About how many participants were there?


16 people were there.

On the subject of Weyland ID's, i feel BWBI is better than BABW. It makes commercialization into a real card and because you now have commercializations, a 7+ strength Ice wall doesn't feel like a waste and if they FF it, that's seems like a pretty good deal to me. On the flip side, BABW will gain you approx 4-6 extra credits a game(assuming you are running hedge fund, beanstalk, GLC). If you are running commercialization in BABW, your first commericialization only nets you +1 cred from the ID ability.
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I think my local meta has already ruled out BWBI as not as good as BABW.

I'm not convinced unless you're going to be advancing Ice a lot.

I'm happy to be convinced though. Maybe I'm missing something. I do understand that once I've got a number of advancement counters down, that commercialization is going to net me quite a few creds for 0 cost (roughly how many creds are people getting from this).

But, the alternative of getting +1 credit from all of my Hedge Funds, Beanstalk Royalties and Green Level Clearances, and my Commercialisations (playing 3 of each). I'm thinking thats going to net me quite a bit more.

 
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PaulGrogan wrote:
I think my local meta has already ruled out BWBI as not as good as BABW.

I'm not convinced unless you're going to be advancing Ice a lot.

I'm happy to be convinced though. Maybe I'm missing something. I do understand that once I've got a number of advancement counters down, that commercialization is going to net me quite a few creds for 0 cost (roughly how many creds are people getting from this).

But, the alternative of getting +1 credit from all of my Hedge Funds, Beanstalk Royalties and Green Level Clearances, and my Commercialisations (playing 3 of each). I'm thinking thats going to net me quite a bit more.



Well, the calculation is: How many times/turns are you spending advancing ICE? Is it more turns than you have transaction operations... Or even more accurately, is it more turns than the transaction operations you play in a typical game?

A BWBI deck will actually be built rather differently as a BABW deck. I think you could possibly run the same deck with two different ids, but that's probably suboptimal.

Though I'm inclined to agree that right now BWBI isn't quite there yet - but that's not you missing something, it's the cardpool missing something I trust it will be a viable strat sometime
 
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PaulGrogan wrote:
I'm not convinced unless you're going to be advancing Ice a lot.

When playing WBWI, you advance ice once per turn. That way your Commercializations give you 10+ credits. This is great against runners' economy denial.

One thing to keep in mind is that WBWI prefers slow play, i.e. 3p agendas. Against fast runners, you rely on low agenda density and Oversight AI to reach the middle game.

To make use of all those counters, you obviously run Commercialization (w/ Archived Memories) and Trick of Light to help you score those agendas.

I think the new identity is at least as good as the old one, if not better. It just requires a different play style.
 
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So many tags!

All but the HB list uses tags. Very interesting and I expect to see more of this as the card pool grows.
 
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As the corp how many times do you spend a click to gain 1 cred? If you play BWBI and Commercialization, You will spend a click to advance an ice(making it harder to get through/costing the runner more money) and eventually spend 1 action on a commercialization to mitigate all that missed opportunity while ending up with a powered up ice that can be used w/ trick of light, etc. Once you get to a certain point, every action you spend advancing is a credit the runner has to pay each run as sort of a reverse bad publicity. So it's more of an investment in gaining value in a longer term as opposed to BABW which gives you more burst creds. As an aside, the ability of BWBI is available every turn to gain you value whereas BABW will only work with a current max of 12 cards in your deck.
 
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I'm noticing Scorched Earth a ton here (including the NY tournament). I think we've seen a trend that the winning decks often include these.

Speaking on the Winning Corps Deck:

Currently Plascrete is the only neutral defense and that looks like its wiped away with PowerGrid Overload. Interesting. And leads me to think that Scorched Earth must be accounted for at all times.

Also notice so few ETR ICE. Makes me wonder if the winner ever won by anything other than flatline. Data Raven is scary and ICE Wall combined with BABW is stopping power, but is it enough to stop a runner from taking the Agenda? I'm hard pressed to see anything else. This deck is balls to the wall Scorched Earth.

Would love to know if the Corps deck ever won a game by agendas.
 
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Anyone else notice the Shipment to Mirrormorph =)

I have found a use for it, wonder if the player used it the same way as I did.

 
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I got to play the winner twice. He flatlined me twice. Do t know why I didn't swap those public sympathies for plascretes.
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savedfromwhat wrote:
I got to play the winner twice. He flatlined me twice. Do t know why I didn't swap those public sympathies for plascretes.


You couldn't have done it mid tournament by yes indeed Plascrete >> Public Sympathy.

Sorry for your loss. That's a very tough deck to win against. ... When you ever you get an agenda and he out credits you, Scorched Earth is towering over you.

I am playing 3 Plascretes - perhaps over kill, but these deck designs are just wicked. I want to guarantee I draw one.
 
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notyetsuperman wrote:
savedfromwhat wrote:
I got to play the winner twice. He flatlined me twice. Do t know why I didn't swap those public sympathies for plascretes.


You couldn't have done it mid tournament by yes indeed Plascrete >> Public Sympathy.

Sorry for your loss. That's a very tough deck to win against. ... When you ever you get an agenda and he out credits you, Scorched Earth is towering over you.

I am playing 3 Plascretes - perhaps over kill, but these deck designs are just wicked. I want to guarantee I draw one.


Yeah I agonized over it before the tourney started. Definitely adding it in to my runner decks now though as SE is just so strong.
 
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