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Like many of you I've been gaming for a while.

And when you've gamed for a while (20+ years) every so often you realise you are a fan of a new style of game or genre.

I've been a fan of thematic games for a long time now but I can really see a new sub-domain within that category. Right now some of my favourite games to play include -

Descent 1e and 2e
Myth (current Kickstarter)
Claustrophobia

Have but Unplayed -

Mice & Mystics
Earth Reborn

My question is what is a good name to give to these titles...as the categories that BGG assigns don't really do it for me at present.

Are they tactical miniatures games? Or something else?

I am also quite interested in looking at Kemet. Are there any other games in this area that I should be looking at?

Tannhauser didn't do it for me.
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Dungeon Crawls

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Zombicide
Dungeon Run
Mansions of Madness
Last Night on Earth: The Zombie Game
Gears of War: The Board Game
Dungeon Command: Sting of Lolth
Dungeons & Dragons: Conquest of Nerath Board Game
Dungeons & Dragons: The Legend of Drizzt Board Game
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Well, if you're interested in Kemet the natural retrograde extension would be to look into Cyclades and Giants. Don't know if you have them, but they're similar...sort of.

I believe the term for the types of games you enjoy might be Wuros; a mixture of war games and euros. Maybe...?
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Not Weuros - that refers to games like Wallenstein (first edition) and Cyclades (Neil has played this - with me!).

Neil, I think "dungeon crawl" is pretty apt, but do you put Mage Knight Board Game in the group?

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There are all the DnD games that started with Dungeons & Dragons: Castle Ravenloft Board Game.
Rune Wars?
Return of the Heroes, Prophecy?
Level 7 [Escape] is interesting.
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Yeah - I'm not so sure that Dungeon Crawl really covers them though - hence wanting the discussion.

Games like Runewars, Prophecy, Return of the Heroes, Runebound, Talisman

they sit as adventure games for me.

Dungeon Crawl I think is ok for Descent 1 and 2e and Dungeonquest but games like -

Metal Gear Solid (I have this too)
Mice and Mystics
Myth

are not really dungeon based are they.

Oh and those D&D games...man I hate that pre-programmed monster movement style of play.

So I'll ask more directly...Is tactical miniatures game apt and correct or is this really defined by something that these games lack?
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One point brought up elsewhere is one person said they didn't consider a game a dungeon crawl if all of the tiles were laid out in advanced. To them the players needed to discover things as they went. This puts a number of games that are considered dungeon crawls into tactical miniatures games instead. I think either works really.
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Neil Thomson wrote:
Yeah - I'm not so sure that Dungeon Crawl really covers them though - hence wanting the discussion.

Games like Runewars, Prophecy, Return of the Heroes, Runebound, Talisman

they sit as adventure games for me.

Dungeon Crawl I think is ok for Descent 1 and 2e and Dungeonquest but games like -

Metal Gear Solid (I have this too)
Mice and Mystics
Myth

are not really dungeon based are they.

Oh and those D&D games...man I hate that pre-programmed monster movement style of play.

So I'll ask more directly...Is tactical miniatures game apt and correct or is this really defined by something that these games lack?


I've seen people describe some of those as a Miniature skirmish board games.
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Tactical miniature games or Dungeon Crawls, definitely not Waros though because all the listed games are Ameritrash. I would even say that your taste aligns with mine very well. You may want to check my profile and find games you may be interested in.

According to what you like and Thomas's suggestions above,
Mansions of Madness
Comment: One of my personal favourite despite the game being imbalanced and under-playtested

Last Night on Earth: The Zombie Game
Comment: This one does not do it for me.

Dungeons & Dragons: Conquest of Nerath Board Game
Comment: In my opinion this game is not very good. Too fiddly for a Risk-like experience.

Dungeons & Dragons: The Legend of Drizzt Board Game
Comment: You should also check out Wrath of Ashadarlon. I think you may like this one if you like Mice and Mystics and know something about DnD.

Space Hulk (3rd Edition) sounds like a game you may want to check out if you have the spare income.
Dust Tactics/Warfare is another one you may want to check out.
Heroscape is one of my personal favorite and according to the games you like, you will no doubt love heroscape but it can cost an arm or two to buy "enough" of it for a "good-enough" game.
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Kemet is a bit different, Neil, in that you're mostly controlling armies instead of individual characters. I'd say it compares more closely to something like Nexus Ops, at the light end of army / conquest games.
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As for another game that fits your category (whatever we call it), how about Defenders of the Realm?
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You may want to check out Tide of Iron. WWII tactical miniature skirmish game.
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Miniature Skirmish is interesting...but somehow conjures up thoughts of army based conflicts.

@ Bowie - thanks for those suggestions.

Yeah I have Last Night on Earth (and almost put it into my list of games in this space).

I also have Space Hulk 3rd Ed. Mansions of Madness bugged me...I think it was the constant skill checks, which sucked the fun out of the game and diminshed the theme. Fortune and Glory gave me a similar negative vibe.

@ Sphere

Hi there pal...we don't cross paths anywhere near enough these days.

Yeah I have Defenders of the Realm too. For me though this falls more into a Weuro design as I see this as largely a euro co-op that requires dice for combat.

It poses an interesting question though...

What is more important to the classification of a game...the theme or the play style.

Myth (the game that got me thinking on this topic) is a co-op game too but it is about miniature to miniature combat and uses space based movement.

Defenders of the Realm also has mini to mini combat but it feels and plays out quite different.

With games like Myth and Descent you have to factor in movement allowances, items and other stats with each turn...

Is this what earns the Tactical Miniatures or skirmish tags?
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KillerTaco wrote:
ou may want to check out Tide of Iron. WWII tactical miniature skirmish game.


I have this one too - also unplayed (and for 5+ years I think).

Hmm...Tactical Miniatures Skirmish game. A new title!!!!

Now this could well be spot on for that game as the units represent multiple soldiers and has that larger scale feel to it.

So what do we call Axis & Allies, Risk etc...

Simply Ameritrash Games (or Conflict Games if the former title is not liked) and leave them at that? Problem with conflict game is it doesn't feel very descriptive as many games require conflict.
 
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Sphere wrote:
Kemet is a bit different, Neil, in that you're mostly controlling armies instead of individual characters. I'd say it compares more closely to something like Nexus Ops, at the light end of army / conquest games.


I concur Sphere despite having played it. Richard's comments in recent threads made Kemet sound just like Nexus Ops, a conflict game where attacking is mandatory...thus removing the turtling problem.
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Yeah, I just saw your collection...wow!
Axis&Allies may be considered an operational level game.
For smaller scale my brain just tends to default to skirmish.
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Neil Thomson wrote:
]Richard's comments in recent threads made Kemet sound just like Nexus Ops, a conflict game where attacking is mandatory...thus removing the turtling problem.


100% accurate and on a side note Kemet is a fantastic game, Nexus Ops too!
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KillerTaco wrote:
Yeah, I just saw your collection...wow!
Axis&Allies may be considered an operational level game.
For smaller scale my brain just tends to default to skirmish.


Operational Level game...Hmm...

So could I go with this -

Operational Level Conflict Games

Axis and Allies
Risk
Conquest of Nerath
Shogun/Samurai Swords/Ikusa
History of the World
Attack!
Fortress America
Dust
Blood Feud in New York

Skirmish Games

Tide of Iron
Runewars
World of Warcraft

Tactical Miniatures Games

Mice & Mystics
Space Hulk 3rd Ed.
Claustrophobia
Gears of War
Descent 1e
Descent 2e
Doom: The Boardgame
Tannhauser
Last Night on Earth: The Zombie Game
D&D: Castle Ravenloft
D&D: Wrath of Ashalardon
Blood Bowl
DreadBall
Battletech
Heroscape

Adventure Games

Runebound
Return of the Heroes
Prophecy
World of Warcraft: The Adventure Game
Dungeon!
Talisman
Relic
Mage Knight Board Game

Dungeon Crawls (Defined as games that allow total exploration of the map)

Advanced HeroQuest
Heroquest
Space Crusade
DungeonQuest

Weuro Games

Kemet
Defenders of the Realm
Nexus Ops
Cyclades
Age of Mythology

Civilisation Games

Sid Meier's Civilisation: The Board Game (The Good One)
Sid Meier's Civilisation: The Boardgame(The Not so Great)
Clash of Cultures
Through the Ages
Mare Nostrum
Civilisation
Advanced Civilisation


This is a quick list off the top of my head.

So 2 questions...

Are these titles fair and accurate?

What other titles need to be added to the list?

Have at it.

Oh one other poser...Summoner Wars? Certainly tactical but no minis. Should the title be changed to Tactical Combat Games or should games like Summoner Wars be left out of this mix?
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Some games I know little about that may fit above that I can think of -

Mage Knight
Warhammer Quest
Super Dungeon Explore
Dungeon Run
Dungeon Command: Sting of Lloth
Age of Conan
Magic Realm
Chaos in the Old World
Sedition Wars: Battle for Alabaster
Kingdom Death: Monster
Zombicide
LEVEL 7 Escape

Consider yourself an expert on the above titles - tell me in which of the categories these fit into.



 
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Games I'm not that fit the above categories...

Summoner Wars
Merchants & Marauders
Titan
C&C Series of Games (Memoir, BattleLore etc)
Star Wars: Queen's Gambit
Mansions of Madness
 
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Neil Thomson wrote:
Some games I know little about that may fit above that I can think of -

Mage Knight
Warhammer Quest
Super Dungeon Explore
Dungeon Run




I tend to use the term "Dungeon crawler" even when there's no dungeon and not much crawl.

But Mage Knight would be an adventure game by your classification (albeit one with a heavy "puzzle solving" element).

Struggling with classifications is probably why we so often fall into the trap of saying "X, it's a bit like Y" - even when they're not much alike at all (and you'll know the pairing I'm thinking of, because someone already said it in this thread!).
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Neil Thomson wrote:
Games I'm not that fit the above categories...

Summoner Wars


Mage Wars and Summoner Wars can be included because while they use cards, they very much play like miniature skirmish games.
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Claustrophobia needs to go there somewhere. Magic Realm too, of course ('cos that's easy to find). Blood Feud in New York ?!
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Claustrophobia needs to go there somewhere. Magic Realm too, of course ('cos that's easy to find). Blood Feud in New York ?!


Not sure how I missed Claustrophobia - that's an easy one.

The others...Hmmm.
 
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i have a good genre name for them: boardgames.
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Stronghold would also fit in the Weuro category I think.
Seems like you would like this one as well. Hilariously awkward rule book though...
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