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I am starting to prepare the KS campaign for the English-language version of Kremlin.

Because I know a lot of people are fanatic (rightfully) about the game--is there anything in particular people want to see?

My current thoughts:

8,000: Level for the Fata Morgana version

12,000: This would include FM, a version of the Avalon Hill style release, and a new version

15,000: Would be able to upgrade card-component quality to 'Vegas-Casino'-style card thickness/quality

Is that aiming too high? Too low?

In terms of art--the game is DEFINITELY going to be given a 1930s Soviet art-style flair--so that politicians, etc will look like they are on a poster inspiring the proletariat on to socialist victory.

Thanks--I really do try and pay attention/think about all suggestions!

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I'd like to see reasonable international shipping options. If they has to be multipacks, so be it.

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trebormills wrote:
Basically the killer for a lot of KS projects is that the postage costs almost as much as the game and in the UK you pay £8 handling fee +20% tax on top of the total fee in a lot of cases- eg £60 for game + £50 shipping +8 handling +20% so £140ish for a game you'll get in shops probably for £60 a few months later

I therefore second a requirement for sensible options re postage for international folks- a horrid fact that its semi out of your control.


Understood.

What constitutes 'sensible'?
Would this be something where you get a 'bonus' game with yuor purchase? Do you want the customs form filled out with a lower value given for the game--rather than the retail value?

--I'm happy to help...just not sure how to (if that makes sense)!
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Filling the forms with the KS price rather than retail helps. Other than that, if the game is being made in China, one way is to ship directly from there, instead of the China-US-World route.

Multipack is definitely a win for me too.
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Filling the forms with the KS price rather than retail helps. Other than that, if the game is being made in China, one way is to ship directly from there, instead of the China-US-World route.

Multipack is definitely a win for me too.


When you say 'multi-pack'--just to be clear, do you mean multiple copies of the same game?

The China-direct customer is potentially difficult, though I suppose could be negotiated with the factory.

Since most 'foreign' customers would be European--would it be worth the extra cost to consider European production rather than Asian?
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Just do it well and ensure it hits the retail distribution chain. I don't back Kickstarters, ever, but will be among the first in line to pick this up when it is available outside of Kickstarter.

I'm excited that you're doing it and wish you luck.
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I wonder if someone such as Milan Spiele could serve for fulfillment in Europe?
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Robert--I wouldn't break any laws to help people. I promise.
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I'll definitely pledge this project.
Jim, 8K is the minimum amount for you when the project becomes interesting, right? Is that possiable to lower it?
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I like the idea of a re-print but I don't understand why the need to distinguish that it'll be in English, as if that's what will be new about it. What am I missing here?

Some stretch reward ideas:
10 sided dice to use in place of the IP tokens. You would need 10 for each party so 60 dice would be a lot. But they wouldn't need to be standard size. Mini-10 sided dice would work.


Will you be changing any rules or adding variants? Maybe there's a less tedious way to do the health phase?
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jollyrogergames wrote:
When you say 'multi-pack'--just to be clear, do you mean multiple copies of the same game?


Generally speaking: yes.

The idea is that shipping N copies does not cost N times the cost of shipping one copy. Depending on the size/weight of the game, it might be that (e.g.) one copy costs $20 to post; but four together, to the same address, only costs $30 to post. So a local group (that can "internally redistribute" the shipment!) orders a set of four copies, when none might have ordered if they had to do it individually.
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Oh boy! I've been waiting for this news, somehow had been already sensing the incoming kickstarter these past days

A quick question:

What do you mean by: "English-language version of Kremlin", are you implying that other languages are considered down the road?

And concerning the proposal to somehow reduce the shipping cost, I can only wholeheartedly second it.
But I'm not sure I understand what you folks mean with the multipacks solution. Do you mean one person ordering for multiple people in his area, spitting the cost, and then... when the bunch of copies arrive at his home, what?

Is he supposed to send them again by local mail to the others? Or drive around and deliver them? This might work for small areas, but what if we're talking about european countries, where such a house delivery could quickly end in a costly affair?

I'm not convinced, but there certainly has to be a solution to the shipping cost issue.
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Is he supposed to send them again by local mail to the others? Or drive around and deliver them?


Completely up to the local group. We've done a variety of things in the past, including:

- drive around the city to deliver;
- recipients collect from the receiver;
- meet at a regular local event (game day, etc);
- collect from a central (regional/national) games gathering;
- post to final recipient at their expense (only done this once, from memory - small card game that was prohibitive as a single, but worked out cheap even with internal postage when bought as a 12-pack).

Each group has to determine what works for them. Thankfully, gamers are generally a resourceful and intelligent bunch, and usually come up with innovative solutions to save a few dollars cool
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I hope to see the kickstarter include the Kremlin expansions.
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jollyrogergames wrote:

When you say 'multi-pack'--just to be clear, do you mean multiple copies of the same game?


Yes. The cost of shipping a single game might be $40, while you could ship 6 for perhaps $80 (made up, but reasonable figures). We regularly organise group kickstarter orders here and then distribute the games (splitting the far cheaper shared shipping) locally.

Many kickstarters offer a small discount to the 3/4/6-packs compared with buying a single game which also helps, and reflects the fact that the fulfillment labour costs for such a package are far lower than sending the same number of individual packages to different addresses.

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chris1nd wrote:
I wonder if someone such as Milan Spiele could serve for fulfillment in Europe?


Maybe, but just don't go near Spiele Offensive, unless you want unhappy backers.

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It is very common to order multiple copies and share costs on KS orders. I did this with Eminent Domain (4 copies), Tammany Hall (2), Ground Floor (4 iirc), Lost Valley (4). With shipping to Australia this can drop 1/3 off the individual total.
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I own a copy of Kremlin and think it is a brilliant and fun design that is long overdue for a reprint. Glad that it is getting some attention. I will be supporting this on Kickstarter. A couple of suggestions...

(1) Not sure what could replace the age chits that get placed on the politicians. Perhaps dials or some other mechanism. That is one of the fiddly parts of the game that could be improved.

(2) Better influence chits for each faction. Larger & thicker to make it easier to handle and place.

Look forward to the project. Good luck and thank you for involving us in the early stages.

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I specified English-language because that is the only language I have contracted for the rights.

I had not thought about mini-d10 for age markers. Hmmmm. That may be possible.

The 'expansion'--that's what I was referring to with the Avalon Hill reference.

My goal would be to get three games into the box:

*The original Fata Morgana with fictional politicians
*The variant with the Lenin era politicians
*A modern variant with modern politicians (and other rules)

I think $8k is probably a base level--though if d10 are used, that'd probably move it up to $10k.

--I'm hoping to get the basics up/ready in early May.
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A die? Unless it's going to be sitting in something to stop it rolling, I see that as a potentially substantial downside for being knocked.

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jollyrogergames wrote:

The 'expansion'--that's what I was referring to with the Avalon Hill reference.


Great to hear Kremlin: Revolution will make a appearance.

Any chance that General expansions such as Kremlin: Destalinization Expansion will make a appearance?

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A die? Unless it's going to be sitting in something to stop it rolling, I see that as a potentially substantial downside for being knocked.

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Indeed... maybe small holes under each political position to keep the dice in place would remedy it. Think of the tech tree of Clash of Cultures

 
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Indeed... maybe small holes under each political position to keep the dice in place would remedy it. Think of the tech tree of Clash of Cultures

It's been a while since I played, but don't characters sent into exile in Siberia keep their age markers? Dice really wouldn't work.

As above, dials could be good if the cost isn't prohibitive...

That said, the biggest problem with the tokens in the AH edition is that they are so small and thin. Larger/thicker counters would be much easier to handle.

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thepackrat wrote:
A die? Unless it's going to be sitting in something to stop it rolling, I see that as a potentially substantial downside for being knocked.

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Would this be a significant issue for the influence markers as well--or just if used for politician age?
 
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