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Since the other thread has sunk into name calling and there's no other significant facts to add to the discussion, how about some speculation.

Everyone likes to speculate and I think a good bit of speculation reveals more about the person doing the speculating than shines any amount of light on actual events.

I think the bombs were set by a single, american citizen who went off the deep end. Probably has some political ax to grind and they might believe that their actions are going to make a political point - but that's largely true about everyone. I'll also speculate that the person who did it was there when it happened so as to watch the fireworks (as it were) and may have even been close enough to get injured.

I'm less than 50% sure that I'm right since there's a large number of other possibilities. But I think this is the most probable.

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I agree with you, this seems way to amateurish for a true terror attack.
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By what I've heard; Amateurish bomb, no main group claiming it. It'll probably be a lone wolf. Could be Islamic or Christian fundamentalist or some "Obama takin' my guns" type, or just some delusional Jodie Foster loves me kind of loon. Either way, it seems to be second stringer as far as terrorist acts go.
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You have pretty much a 50% chance of being right whether you pick home-grown or foreign. Of course there's always home-grown foreign... you know, sympathizers.

As for amateurish, that seems to be the pattern on plenty of busted or fizzled plots that US agencies have dealt with the last 12 years. Most of these guys, whether anti gov't or Islamic extremists are not pros.

BTW, I've got local Boston TV news running and they have been showing footage of an armored military vehicle and half a dozen soldiers going into a local hospital, along with a bunch of DEA agents and police. Brigand and Women's Hospital? Sounds right. My guess is that the bomber may either be among the injured and they are there because they have a suspect.
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I don't think the symbolism of the day, and the city attacked can be ignored. Boston, on Patriots' Day, when its also Tax day?
The Boston Marathon is always run on Patriot's Day. So you can't say that it's targeting the Day any more than the event.
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CrankyPants wrote:
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I don't think the symbolism of the day, and the city attacked can be ignored. Boston, on Patriots' Day, when its also Tax day?
The Boston Marathon is always run on Patriot's Day. So you can't say that it's targeting the Day any more than the event.


And someone would actually have to know Patriot's Day exists to target it.
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This is clearly the work of Obama.
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Tax Day, Boston, Boston Tea Party?
 
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The feds will definitely want to make this a federal crime somehow, as Mass. doesn't have the death penalty.
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Koldfoot wrote:
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Tax Day, Boston, Boston Tea Party?
Saudi National in custody?


This is not an input into the RSP debate - but the Boston police commissioner pretty much flat-out refuted that they hold a suspect in custody at the hospital - he called it false information - rather saying that they "talk" to a number of "persons of interest". This of course does not mean that they will not eventually hold this person in custody.
 
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Out of curiosity, at this point what federal law has been broken?

For the record, I don't doubt that one has been broken. But to this point no one in the media has made any claims that would warrant federal action.

Also: The FBI has taken the lead on the investigation. That is significant. Very significant.

We are not yet getting the whole story.


I'm not sure what difference it makes if A) we don't have the full story 7 hours later and B) we don't know if a federal law has been broken.

First terrorist like attack on US lower 48 soil, I'm pretty sure the Feds aren't going to let Boston PD F it up. Grandstanding happens all the time. Besides, we have plenty of vague Federal laws we can throw around.


Not to mention the best forensics lab in the country is the FBI's lab.
 
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I will bet the contents of my retirement fund and my super-secret porno stash that the perpetrator has a Y chromosome. That is all.
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Koldfoot wrote:


Unlike other terrorist attacks, it didn't involve a member of government, or occur on an airplane, or against property of the federal government. We are used to FBI involvement in these attacks, but there needs to be a reason. So far the media and government would have us believe nothing occurred that would rise to the level of a federal crime. That doesn't mean that the FBI couldn't cooperate in these early stages, but they took the LEAD.

This is bigger than a disgruntled white guy.


Didn't FBI take over from Boston PD the famous 1990 Boston art heist (private gallery) investigation as well - not that I know much about how FBI works.. just makes me think that the triggers you mention are a tad restrictive in the context
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
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Grandstanding happens all the time. Besides, we have plenty of vague Federal laws we can throw around.
Tax evasion. kidnapping across state lines, counterfieting the money used to buy the bombs, the possibility that the explosives weren't acquired following gov't regulations?

None of those, nor numerous others, rise to the level of the FBI taking control. They need something bigger to justify the power grab.

We are missing some key information. Nor do I fault the cops for not divulging all their information at this point. I'm just saying the evidence points to the fact they are not divulging everything we would like to know at this point.


I think all they'd need is a sympathetic federal judge. Which was probably easy to find.
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Not to mention the best forensics lab in the country is the FBI's lab.
They have that lab SPECIFICALLY to assist local law enforcement agencies with lab work that they could not afford to do themselves. Crime scene material definitely does not have to be federal in nature to be analyzed by the FBI. They were granted the funding to build the lab with the understanding that small police departments without resources for a lab could utilize the FBI's lab.

There is absolutely no reason that the FBI would need to be involved on any level in order for them to analyze evidence from the crime scene.


Okay, I wasn't saying that was WHY they got involved, only that it was a good thing. Carry on. Although you know, it's fairly typical for them to get involved in any bombing that even remotely impacts interstate commerce.
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I would assume that any major terrorist action would be treated like it was part of a conspiracy until evidence shows that it wasn't. That's just the climate we're in. Even if the authorities strongly suspected that it was the work of a lone disgruntled nut I find it hard to believe that the FBI would sit on the sidelines and let local law enforcement handle the case when all the major news networks are reporting a terrorist attack in Boston.
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In sooper fun bombing speculation hilarity, I once with my own ears heard on April 19, 1995 former congressman Dave McCurdy declare that there was strong evidence that the Oklahoma City bombing was the work of Islamic millitants, and that Oklahoma City was a known hive of Islamic scum and villainy. He later denied ever saying anything of the sort.

In other news, Tim McVeigh is shortly thereafter arrested for driving without plates on his car.
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Why not just see what the FBI has to say about it? This is the internet, after all, where there's as much transparency as you could ever want.
 
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MisterCranky wrote:


Because this is a speculation thread. Duh.
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Why isn't the FBI involved?
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I phoned Special Agent Comcowich and told him to wait a few hours until Koldfoot goes to sleep, and then call him and wake him up. It should be good for some laughs.
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Chad_Ellis wrote:
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Because this is a speculation thread. Duh.


Don't you have some beds to make? Stop wasting humanitarian time.
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I've speculated that it's essentially impossible to get away with something like this today without the backing of a major government or a multi-millionaire.

It will be interesting to see how complete the surveillance on the area where the bombs were and serial numbers / tagging is on the items used to make the bomb.

 
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PomInNZ wrote:
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Tax Day, Boston, Boston Tea Party?
Saudi National in custody?


Just a rumour, not confirmed on any major news site


While wondering what constitutes a "major news site" in Sheepland I can't seem to find anything but confirmation on all the minor news channels that a 20 year old Saudi national on a student visa is "being questioned" and that a search warrant has been served in Revere, most likely on said Saudi's residence.

Of course this could be a superbly crafted ploy by the FBI and DHS... you know, pretend to be investigating some innocent Muslim and lure the Tea Party grannies and granpops into letting their guard down.

My money is on it not being grandad or gramma or even cousin Bill who lives in the double-wide and has a gun rack in his pick-up. Somebody knew how to make a good bomb.... one that was portable and in fact, two that were portable. They knew enough to pack them with ball bearings for max damage and they knew enough to set the larger explosion off second, after the crowd moved "away" from the initial explosion. This sounds like it's a lot more professional than first thought and the smaller size of the blasts could be attributed to the need for them to be small packages and not noticed laying on the ground, because they were ground level explosions.

My early conclusion - either rogue Islamic extremist or ex-military American national with experience in the Mideast.
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DWTripp wrote:
PomInNZ wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
sbszine wrote:
Tax Day, Boston, Boston Tea Party?
Saudi National in custody?


Just a rumour, not confirmed on any major news site


While wondering what constitutes a "major news site" in Sheepland I can't seem to find anything but confirmation on all the minor news channels that a 20 year old Saudi national on a student visa is "being questioned" and that a search warrant has been served in Revere, most likely on said Saudi's residence.

Of course this could be a superbly crafted ploy by the FBI and DHS... you know, pretend to be investigating some innocent Muslim and lure the Tea Party grannies and granpops into letting their guard down.

My money is on it not being grandad or gramma or even cousin Bill who lives in the double-wide and has a gun rack in his pick-up. Somebody knew how to make a good bomb.... one that was portable and in fact, two that were portable. They knew enough to pack them with ball bearings for max damage and they knew enough to set the larger explosion off second, after the crowd moved "away" from the initial explosion. This sounds like it's a lot more professional than first thought and the smaller size of the blasts could be attributed to the need for them to be small packages and not noticed laying on the ground, because they were ground level explosions.

My early conclusion - either rogue Islamic extremist or ex-military American national with experience in the Mideast.


Own up, Tripp. It was you who done it!
 
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