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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865578386/Board-games-can...
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(and also Michael Mindes).
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And featuring Michael Mindes, which is not surprising given the paper the article showed up in. Bonus points if you know why.
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curtc wrote:
And featuring Michael Mindes, which is not surprising given the paper the article showed up in. Bonus points if you know why.


Local connection?
 
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bippi wrote:
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And featuring Michael Mindes, which is not surprising given the paper the article showed up in. Bonus points if you know why.

Local connection?

The paper is not even from the same state in which Mindes lives.
 
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curtc wrote:
And featuring Michael Mindes, which is not surprising given the paper the article showed up in. Bonus points if you know why.


Heh heh -- I know! But I also share a particular microbadge that also gives it away... whistle

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This article makes boardgaming seem about as fun as drinking fish oil. Then again, I'm probably not nearly as family-oriented as the intended audience.
 
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This article makes boardgaming seem about as fun as drinking fish oil. Then again, I'm probably not nearly as family-oriented as the intended audience.

I don't think the problem is you. But I can't say any more without violating Thumper's sage advice.
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mrblueesq wrote:
curtc wrote:
And featuring Michael Mindes, which is not surprising given the paper the article showed up in. Bonus points if you know why.


Heh heh -- I know! But I also share a particular microbadge that also gives it away... whistle



Gah, this is so hard...why don't you all put the microbadge that would reflect this as one of your main 5?



EDIT: The Church doesn't have a registry of game designers, does it?
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EDIT: The Church doesn't have a registry of game designers, does it?

Close enough. Deseret News is owned by "The Church".
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Nice read except:
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When it comes to finding the perfect board games for your family, Vasel suggests considering imports and games made by smaller companies. One popular site where smaller companies share their ideas for board games is Kickstarter, a funding platform for creative projects.
Really???

You really think the kind of people who still need to be told the contents of that article should look on Kickstarter for their *perfect* game? If countless experienced gamers have trouble separating the wheat from the chaff already you really think this is *the* place for John Doe to go?
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Kempeth wrote:
Nice read except:
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When it comes to finding the perfect board games for your family, Vasel suggests considering imports and games made by smaller companies. One popular site where smaller companies share their ideas for board games is Kickstarter, a funding platform for creative projects.
Really???

You really think the kind of people who still need to be told the contents of that article should look on Kickstarter for their *perfect* game? If countless experienced gamers have trouble separating the wheat from the chaff already you really think this is *the* place for John Doe to go?


It's really not surprising that Mr. "Kickstarter is more important than Essen" is selling Kickstarter so hard, he gets paid to shill game videos for scores of KS projects.
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Kempeth wrote:
Nice read except:
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When it comes to finding the perfect board games for your family, Vasel suggests considering imports and games made by smaller companies. One popular site where smaller companies share their ideas for board games is Kickstarter, a funding platform for creative projects.
Really???

You really think the kind of people who still need to be told the contents of that article should look on Kickstarter for their *perfect* game? If countless experienced gamers have trouble separating the wheat from the chaff already you really think this is *the* place for John Doe to go?


You're reading that wrong:

Vasel says...
When it comes to finding the perfect board games for your family, Vasel suggests considering imports and games made by smaller companies.

Then the reporter says...
One popular site where smaller companies share their ideas for board games is Kickstarter, a funding platform for creative projects.

It's the reporter making the suggestion of kickstarter, not Vasel.

Hanlon's Razor, folks...
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Basically, I said "not-Hasbro", which to most people translates as "smaller companies."
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bippi wrote:
Kempeth wrote:
Nice read except:
Quote:
When it comes to finding the perfect board games for your family, Vasel suggests considering imports and games made by smaller companies. One popular site where smaller companies share their ideas for board games is Kickstarter, a funding platform for creative projects.
Really???

You really think the kind of people who still need to be told the contents of that article should look on Kickstarter for their *perfect* game? If countless experienced gamers have trouble separating the wheat from the chaff already you really think this is *the* place for John Doe to go?


You're reading that wrong:

Vasel says...
When it comes to finding the perfect board games for your family, Vasel suggests considering imports and games made by smaller companies.

Then the reporter says...
One popular site where smaller companies share their ideas for board games is Kickstarter, a funding platform for creative projects.

It's the reporter making the suggestion of kickstarter, not Vasel.

Hanlon's Razor, folks...


Stop derailing a typical Vasel-bashing with reading comprehension, David.
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bippi wrote:
You're reading that wrong:

Vasel says...
When it comes to finding the perfect board games for your family, Vasel suggests considering imports and games made by smaller companies.

TomVasel wrote:
Basically, I said "not-Hasbro", which to most people translates as "smaller companies."

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Then the reporter says...
One popular site where smaller companies share their ideas for board games is Kickstarter, a funding platform for creative projects.

I see the chain of events that led to it, and I can't blame anyone for it, but the end result is just a horrible, horrible piece of advice that appears to be directing newcomers to Kickstarter.

Can you contact the author and ask him to change it so that it doesn't have that effect?
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Bryan, a tiny article in a small paper (who reads those anyway?) isn't going to ruin anyone's life. Additionally, I have a lot of non-gamer friends who have backed awful kickstarter projects, received the games, and had lots of fun being part of the whole process - including enjoying the awful games shake As much as I'd like to shake them and tell them they've been duped, who am I to ruin someone's fun.

So new people heading to kickstarter isn't awful. They might stumble upon something good while they are there. Who knows. It's like people who get into gamign through (shudder) muchkin.

Sometimes the wrong path can lead to the right destination!
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I don't have a problem with new people going to Kickstarter. A lot of good games come from Kickstarter.
 
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Bryan, a tiny article in a small paper (who reads those anyway?) isn't going to ruin anyone's life.

Considering that it only takes a simple email to make the request, that it continues to live on "on the net", and that Tom cares about whether people believe that he said this or not, it seems easy enough to try and get it fixed.
 
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I don't have a problem with new people going to Kickstarter. A lot of good games come from Kickstarter.

Perhaps. But there are a lot of bad games on Kickstarter too. I think newcomers are going to end up having a better experience going to their FLGS than they are going to Kickstarter.
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Thunkd wrote:

I think newcomers are going to end up having a better experience going to their FLGS than they are going to Kickstarter.


I wouldn't go THAT far. Kickstarter is pretty lame and has a greater-than-average share of lousy games. But FLGS employees are, by and large, NOT the type of people who should be giving families advice on simple games to enjoy together. They'll either have no idea, or suggest Arkham Horror.
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TomVasel wrote:
I don't have a problem with new people going to Kickstarter. A lot of good games come from Kickstarter.


Funny. I sure haven't found any
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Bryan, a tiny article in a small paper (who reads those anyway?) isn't going to ruin anyone's life. Additionally, I have a lot of non-gamer friends who have backed awful kickstarter projects, received the games, and had lots of fun being part of the whole process - including enjoying the awful games shake As much as I'd like to shake them and tell them they've been duped, who am I to ruin someone's fun.

So new people heading to kickstarter isn't awful. They might stumble upon something good while they are there. Who knows. It's like people who get into gamign through (shudder) muchkin.

Sometimes the wrong path can lead to the right destination!


You raise a good point... for instance, for as much as we bash Zombies and Munchkin, it certainly does have a pretty big freakin' fanbase.
 
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Thunkd wrote:
TomVasel wrote:
I don't have a problem with new people going to Kickstarter. A lot of good games come from Kickstarter.

Perhaps. But there are a lot of bad games on Kickstarter too. I think newcomers are going to end up having a better experience going to their FLGS than they are going to Kickstarter.


From an aggregate BGG rating perspective, there sure are a lot of "terrible" games at my FLGS (Brookhurst Hobbies, CA). They have a huge selection and the vast majority are stinkers...
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Schwartzkopf wrote:
Thunkd wrote:
I think newcomers are going to end up having a better experience going to their FLGS than they are going to Kickstarter.


From an aggregate BGG rating perspective, there sure are a lot of "terrible" games at my FLGS (Brookhurst Hobbies, CA). They have a huge selection and the vast majority are stinkers...


Even so, a family can come in, buy a game and go home and play it. And there's a good chance it'll be a somewhat decent game.

If you send them to kickstarter, the first thing they have to do is learn how to do kickstarter. Why are we sending them to this odd online site where they don't buy a game, but put money possibly towards a game? That they get later on? Or maybe not. This is not the way to convert new people to gaming.

Nobody is going to start the sales pitch like this "Hey, wanna join this great hobby and play great games, and not just the lame games you knew as a kid, but some really fun and interesting stuff?" And the follow it up with this: "Well just pledge $100 bucks to this project and if it gets funded, why you'll have a game in just a few months. And maybe it'll even be a good game!"

Kickstarter is something that the board game enthusiast should do. It's not a way to introduce someone to the hobby.
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