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Martyn Smith
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Well.

That's about it really.

Are there any wargames out there that feature Mr Cromwell and his travails and battles?

I am still rather new to wargaming but have (and have ENJOYED!) AVD, Warriors of God and Infidel (to give you an idea of where I am 'at'...)

All advice gratefully received...
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Unhappy King Charles!

CDG on the strategic level of the ECW.

Cromwell has a counter that comes into play after the New Model Army is formed. There is also a card that deals with his adventures in the east in the Early War deck.

Fantastic game too.
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I'm sure people will have more, but here's two:

This Accursed Civil War
Unhappy King Charles
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Shauneroo wrote:
Unhappy King Charles!

CDG on the strategic level of the ECW.

Cromwell has a counter that comes into play after the New Model Army is formed. There is also a card that deals with his adventures in the east in the Early War deck.

Fantastic game too.


I really don't want to wimp out too early and yet I want to be realistic about my abilities as a relative newbie wargamer. I tend to find wargaming rules rather difficult to digest and engage with and having looked at UKC I am alerted to the concerns raised in regard to complexity.

Would it not be too much of a step up from my current wargaming portfolio?

Thanks for offering advice though...
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thechangingman wrote:


Would it not be too much of a step up from my current wargaming portfolio?



Not at all. If you can play Infidel, you can play UKC.
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Maybe Unhappy King Charles!? It is of strategic level so no individual battle is featured but nonetheless it's a lot of fun and may be of interest for you.

EDIT: this is what happens when you open a page for a quarter or more and then you forget to refresh it.
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The King's War too. This is halfway between UKC and TAW in terms of scale: each scenario is a season of campaigns, rather than a battle or the entire war.
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Shauneroo wrote:
Unhappy King Charles!

CDG on the strategic level of the ECW.

Cromwell has a counter that comes into play after the New Model Army is formed. There is also a card that deals with his adventures in the east in the Early War deck.

Fantastic game too.


See above. Fantastic game that is highly underplayed. I don't think it's underrated as I have never met anyone who dislikes it that owns and has played it. It just never got wide appreciation.
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3W did some many years ago. You'd have to trade for these, or find them used.

Strategic:
Ironsides

Tactical Battles:
Royalists and Roundheads; R & R II; and R & R III

I haven't played any of these, but they are likely s step lower on complexity than either Unhappy King Charles or This Accursed Civil War.
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Europa Universalis. Has just about everyone else of note too. :D


I'm curious if there are any games which include more political
concerns of the subject (ECW). Yeah, UKC has some baked into the
cards, but I was looking for something where the gameplay contains
more than what amount to military decisions.
 
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calandale wrote:
I'm curious if there are any games which include more political
concerns of the subject (ECW). Yeah, UKC has some baked into the
cards, but I was looking for something where the gameplay contains
more than what amount to military decisions.


One of these days, in the far distant future when I've decided I actually know enough to design a game, I have interest in doing this sort of thing. There are a whole bunch of revolutionary eras that I would like to see done really well from the political angle. First in my mind is 1848. Close behind that is 17th-century England.
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cscottk wrote:
Fantastic game that is highly underplayed. I don't think it's underrated as I have never met anyone who dislikes it that owns and has played it. It just never got wide appreciation.


I think the map and counter graphics hurt the game a little perhaps, not one of GMT's better efforts IMHO... which is a shame given it is such an excellent game. Same with Halls of Montezuma.
 
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patton1138 wrote:
calandale wrote:
I'm curious if there are any games which include more political
concerns of the subject (ECW). Yeah, UKC has some baked into the
cards, but I was looking for something where the gameplay contains
more than what amount to military decisions.


One of these days, in the far distant future when I've decided I actually know enough to design a game, I have interest in doing this sort of thing. There are a whole bunch of revolutionary eras that I would like to see done really well from the political angle. First in my mind is 1848. Close behind that is 17th-century England.


One thing I know - the way to learn how to design a game is
to dive in and try.

Another thing is that it ends up being more work than I can bear.
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thechangingman wrote:
Shauneroo wrote:
Unhappy King Charles!

CDG on the strategic level of the ECW.

Cromwell has a counter that comes into play after the New Model Army is formed. There is also a card that deals with his adventures in the east in the Early War deck.

Fantastic game too.


I really don't want to wimp out too early and yet I want to be realistic about my abilities as a relative newbie wargamer. I tend to find wargaming rules rather difficult to digest and engage with and having looked at UKC I am alerted to the concerns raised in regard to complexity.

Would it not be too much of a step up from my current wargaming portfolio?

Thanks for offering advice though...


I don't want to talk myself out of a royalty but the game is untypical from games on later periods as armies are still pretty amateur. This can mean the damn things won't do what you want or start deserting.
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The King's War

Right side of the counter sheet, 3rd row from the bottom is "Cromwell I". The flip side of the counter is "Cromwell II" to reflect different capability of him during different period of the war.
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Charles Vasey wrote:
thechangingman wrote:
Shauneroo wrote:
Unhappy King Charles!

CDG on the strategic level of the ECW.

Cromwell has a counter that comes into play after the New Model Army is formed. There is also a card that deals with his adventures in the east in the Early War deck.

Fantastic game too.


I really don't want to wimp out too early and yet I want to be realistic about my abilities as a relative newbie wargamer. I tend to find wargaming rules rather difficult to digest and engage with and having looked at UKC I am alerted to the concerns raised in regard to complexity.

Would it not be too much of a step up from my current wargaming portfolio?

Thanks for offering advice though...


I don't want to talk myself out of a royalty but the game is untypical from games on later periods as armies are still pretty amateur. This can mean the damn things won't do what you want or start deserting.


That's the FUN of it though!


I wanna talk Charles back into a royalty on this one. I looked at
Martin's collection, and yes, UKC is more complex than TS, but probably
is as accessible as Infidel (though a very different type of game).
If you get a grasp on that one, you should be able to handle the
complexity in UKC. And it is very enjoyable.

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Thank you one and all for these very helpful comments.

The overall theme seems to be about UKC. The problem with my owning Infidel is that I've only just got it and, to be honest, I have found it very, very difficult to get into.

I am NOT saying it is complicated - I am saying that I am finding it hard to access. It looks absolutely fascinating but I just don't have the experience and the know-how to break into it.

I haven't given up though...

As for UKC - from what has been said here and from what I've been reading about it, it really has started to grip me.

So, maybe I just need to bite the bullet, roll up my sleeves and attempt to grapple with a rule-book longer than any other I've EVER tried.

(By the way, in case you're wondering, I am not a complete idiot - in fact, I am in my last year of a PhD in theology - that is FAR easier, however, than the majority of wargaming rules I try to tackle )

Thanks again to each and every BGGer who's taken the time to advise me - it's appreciated...
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If you want to see how a game of Unhappy King Charles plays out, go to main.wargamezone.com.

On the Game replys section, there is a very detailed replay of a game of Unhappy King Charles between myself and Tim Porter (who's actually English).

It's a pretty easy read and we tried to inject a bit of humor.
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thechangingman wrote:
Thank you one and all for these very helpful comments.

The overall theme seems to be about UKC. The problem with my owning Infidel is that I've only just got it and, to be honest, I have found it very, very difficult to get into.


Yeah. I saw it was unplayed, and figured you might want to take
a crack at it first. But, given the interest in UKC and the fact that
the games are completely different, maybe you're better off just jumping
in.

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I am NOT saying it is complicated - I am saying that I am finding it hard to access. It looks absolutely fascinating but I just don't have the experience and the know-how to break into it.

I haven't given up though...



Quote:

(By the way, in case you're wondering, I am not a complete idiot - in fact, I am in my last year of a PhD in theology - that is FAR easier, however, than the majority of wargaming rules I try to tackle :p)


They're something that takes getting used to approaching.
It's often a matter of just trying to play and failing a few
times, looking things up as you go. It's work - but nothing
compared to a PhD. :G

Once you get used to what works for you to learn them, it becomes
a lot easier.
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Peso Pete wrote:
Cromwell's Victory: The Battle of Marston Moor

Decent, introductory-level game that shouldn't be too hard to find. Even my ex-wife thought it was pretty good and she wasn't even a gamer, so that must count for something.


I agree, this one is easy to learn and quick to play. It may also give you a taste for the slightly more in-depth treatment of Marston Moor contained in This Accursed Civil War. (and the TACW is not that complicated a system).
 
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thechangingman wrote:
Shauneroo wrote:
Unhappy King Charles!

CDG on the strategic level of the ECW.

Cromwell has a counter that comes into play after the New Model Army is formed. There is also a card that deals with his adventures in the east in the Early War deck.

Fantastic game too.


I really don't want to wimp out too early and yet I want to be realistic about my abilities as a relative newbie wargamer. I tend to find wargaming rules rather difficult to digest and engage with and having looked at UKC I am alerted to the concerns raised in regard to complexity.

Would it not be too much of a step up from my current wargaming portfolio?

Thanks for offering advice though...


I took a little while for this to work for me, but I now consider it one of my best buys. There are some play aids on BGG which are very useful - I think the ones by Andy Daglish were the ones I use.

If you Understand the ECW you should really like this game
 
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TCS Games has a number of inexpensive "print and play" ECW grand-tactical-level games. Cromwell will be in Marsten Moor and Naseby at least.
 
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Well

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/6899/cromwell

Long time OoP,but it covers the ECW & was one of the
first Games to include a Battle Board.

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Feralkoala wrote:
3W did some many years ago. You'd have to trade for these, or find them used.

Strategic:
Ironsides

Tactical Battles:
Royalists and Roundheads; R & R II; and R & R III

I haven't played any of these, but they are likely s step lower on complexity than either Unhappy King Charles or This Accursed Civil War.


Martyn,

I have all of these if you would like to take a look, as well as The King's War.

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I got nothing new to add to the discussion regarding games but here's an interesting Oliver Cromwell fact I found out the other day - did you know he was actually officially be-headed by the state? Although unusually, he'd already been dead for some time before the sentence was carried out.
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