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So i keep playing my wife. and she keeps kicking my butt.
it just always seems she has infinite amount of money; she's playing wayland and i'm playing gabriel. i try the whole run early run a lot strat. but i just don't seem to have enough credits to run through everything. it just seems so easy for her to play ice and rez it. plus its so expensive to run through one piece of ice. Is there something i'm doing wrong or playing wrong? like she'll just stack 4 ices in one place. how does anyone ever have enough credits to go through 4 pieces of ice?
 
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Are you playing with the core decks? The criminal one is not very good, it has a very bad breaker suite, and you will struggle unless you can win very early.

I would suggest trying one of the other factions, and then look at the rules on deck-building and influence. Bringing some of the other factions ice-breakers into Criminal makes Gabriel much better.
 
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I would more suggest that you check to see what money cards you have in your deck. As criminal you should be running 3 codebusting, 3 sure gamble and 3 easy mark minimum. Then you add in the account siphons to generate money while stifling the money the corp has. If you have the expansions I would also add 3 compromised employee.

in a 45 card deck, if you are only running 6 or 7 money cards the odds of you drawing one when you need it are fairly low. I suggest 12-15 money cards in a 45 card deck. Unless you run shaper. >.>
 
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Jadiel wrote:
Are you playing with the core decks? The criminal one is not very good, it has a very bad breaker suite, and you will struggle unless you can win very early.

I would suggest trying one of the other factions, and then look at the rules on deck-building and influence. Bringing some of the other factions ice-breakers into Criminal makes Gabriel much better.

i just don't understand that how every run i have to pay so much. and she only needs to pay once to rez it? so if she has like 10 ices up what can i actually do?
 
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do note that you don't have to break every ice and every subroutine. just take some damage / traces / etc. and go on. I only recently found out that running is fun in this crazyness of not having that much money to deal with every corp trap.
 
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Is she remembering to pay the extra install costs for each ice past the first one on a server?
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TheFettman wrote:
Jadiel wrote:
Are you playing with the core decks? The criminal one is not very good, it has a very bad breaker suite, and you will struggle unless you can win very early.

I would suggest trying one of the other factions, and then look at the rules on deck-building and influence. Bringing some of the other factions ice-breakers into Criminal makes Gabriel much better.

i just don't understand that how every run i have to pay so much. and she only needs to pay once to rez it? so if she has like 10 ices up what can i actually do?


Not sure if this applies, but is she paying the install costs for ice? Stacking 4 gets expensive on top of trying to rez ice. Are you letting her sit on a mmc and spend turns getting 7? That's a very high profile card for gabe to trash as he often plays an economic war with his opponents.
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Bigland wrote:
Is she remembering to pay the extra install costs for each ice past the first one on a server?

didn't even know that! i'll look into it!
haha that makes sense now.
So if she had a piece of ice that cost 3 before it. and rezed and ice piece that cost 2. she would have to put 3 to rez it?
 
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Niil945 wrote:
TheFettman wrote:
Jadiel wrote:
Are you playing with the core decks? The criminal one is not very good, it has a very bad breaker suite, and you will struggle unless you can win very early.

I would suggest trying one of the other factions, and then look at the rules on deck-building and influence. Bringing some of the other factions ice-breakers into Criminal makes Gabriel much better.

i just don't understand that how every run i have to pay so much. and she only needs to pay once to rez it? so if she has like 10 ices up what can i actually do?


Not sure if this applies, but is she paying the install costs for ice? Stacking 4 gets expensive on top of trying to rez ice. Are you letting her sit on a mmc and spend turns getting 7? That's a very high profile card for gabe to trash as he often plays an economic war with his opponents.

not sure what an mcc is.
So what i would do i'd run her hand and her server. the one with her hand i keep taking the same card every turnnnn. now running more than once on the hq per turn you only see the same card?
 
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When installing Ice, it costs 1 for each Ice already installed on the server. If there are 3 Ice down, just to play another Ice face down on top of the stack costs 3 credits. Rez costs don't change, however.

Edit: MMC is an asset that allows the corp to spend 3 clicks to gain 7 credits. Each time you successfully run against HQ (hand) you get to pick a card at random. If you run 4 times a turn you could see the same card 4 times or 4 different ones if they have 4 or more cards. Just depends how lucky you get =)

Also, you said she was playing Weyland. Are you using Bad Publicity from her Hostile Takeover agendas? Each Bad Publicity gives you a credit to use during the run that if not used is returned to the bank, but it's every run, on any server.

Just trying to think of things that might be affecting your game.
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TheFettman wrote:

So if she had a piece of ice that cost 3 before it. and rezed and ice piece that cost 2. she would have to put 3 to rez it?

I confess, so far I've only read the rule book. But the main rule I missed was that, while your first ice installed (not rezzed) on a server is free, the second costs a credit, the third, two credits, etc. At least, I think that's what it said!

Edit: What Niil945 said.
 
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Niil945 wrote:
When installing Ice, it costs 1 for each Ice already installed on the server. If there are 3 Ice down, just to play another Ice face down on top of the stack costs 3 credits. Rez costs don't change, however.

Edit: MMC is an asset that allows the corp to spend 3 clicks to gain 7 credits. Each time you successfully run against HQ (hand) you get to pick a card at random. If you run 4 times a turn you could see the same card 4 times or 4 different ones if they have 4 or more cards. Just depends how lucky you get =)

Also, you said she was playing Weyland. Are you using Bad Publicity from her Hostile Takeover agendas? Each Bad Publicity gives you a credit to use during the run that if not used is returned to the bank, but it's every run, on any server.

Just trying to think of things that might be affecting your game.


i'm just playing possum and pretending to suck... so that she likes the game.. so when i build my decks i can crush herrrrrrrrrr. sorry by hq i meant R & D
 
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TheFettman wrote:
Bigland wrote:
Is she remembering to pay the extra install costs for each ice past the first one on a server?

didn't even know that! i'll look into it!
haha that makes sense now.
So if she had a piece of ice that cost 3 before it. and rezed and ice piece that cost 2. she would have to put 3 to rez it?


I just want to make sure you guys understood that installing ice and rezzing ice are two different things. Ice is installed face-down (like any card the corp installs) in front of a server. Installing a piece of ice on a server costs one credit for every piece of ice already protecting that server (rezzed or unrezzed). So installing the first ice is free, installing the second costs 1 credit, the third costs 2 to install, and so forth. Also, an install action costs a click, so the corp can only install so many cards any given turn.
Then, once you make a run on a server, the corp player has the option to rez each piece of ice as you approach it by paying the rez cost printed on the card (and only the rez cost -- there is no additional penalty for the number of ice installed behind it).
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TheFettman wrote:
So i keep playing my wife. and she keeps kicking my butt.

This sooo reminds me of my games. I play A:NR only with my wife and I have lost like my first 10 games regardless of the side or faction I have played. But it is getting better, now our games are much more balanced (funny thing: I usually play Weyland and my wife plays Gabriel).

I don't want to be an instructor here to tell you what to do. There are much better players who can give you advice. Just wanted to tell you, that it will get better once you find your style and find out what you are doing wrong.
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I've seen people think that advancing cards doesn't require paying for the tokens, just placing them from the bank.
 
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/FFGflash/Netrunner/netrunner_tutori...

Watch this video and to check if you guys are doing everything correctly.
 
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After doing all your rules checks (and it's hard to know if you're doing stuff right without being at your table)...

Consider swapping sides.

You'll learn a lot about how to play the Runner by playing the Corp, and vice versa.
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byronczimmer wrote:
After doing all your rules checks (and it's hard to know if you're doing stuff right without being at your table)...

Consider swapping sides.

You'll learn a lot about how to play the Runner by playing the Corp, and vice versa.

installing and rezzing a card must be done on two different turns correct?
so if she put an ice down and wants to rez it right away it would cost two clicks?
 
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Rezzing does not take a click, and can only be done by an event that forces it to happen or by an encounter with the runner. You typically rez ICE when the runner approaches it. If there are 3 ICE on one server, the runner encounters the first ICE, it is either rezzed (paid by the corp) and dealt with, or not rezzed and automatically passed. Repeat for the next two ice.
 
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meledeo wrote:
Rezzing does not take a click, and can only be done by an event that forces it to happen or by an encounter with the runner. You typically rez ICE when the runner approaches it. If there are 3 ICE on one server, the runner encounters the first ICE, it is either rezzed (paid by the corp) and dealt with, or not rezzed and automatically passed. Repeat for the next two ice.


hrmm i thought i saw a video during a world tournament game where he put the card face up. and it seemed like it was an ice piece.
 
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TheFettman wrote:
meledeo wrote:
Rezzing does not take a click, and can only be done by an event that forces it to happen or by an encounter with the runner. You typically rez ICE when the runner approaches it. If there are 3 ICE on one server, the runner encounters the first ICE, it is either rezzed (paid by the corp) and dealt with, or not rezzed and automatically passed. Repeat for the next two ice.


hrmm i thought i saw a video during a world tournament game where he put the card face up. and it seemed like it was an ice piece.


It could have been installed using Accelerated Beta Test or some other similar ability.
 
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Bigland wrote:
TheFettman wrote:

So if she had a piece of ice that cost 3 before it. and rezed and ice piece that cost 2. she would have to put 3 to rez it?

I confess, so far I've only read the rule book. But the main rule I missed was that, while your first ice installed (not rezzed) on a server is free, the second costs a credit, the third, two credits, etc. At least, I think that's what it said!

Edit: What Niil945 said.

This is solved by my "teaching" playmats, unfortunately they use copyrighted pictures, so they will not make it into files section.
If you want to take a look is in shared google file:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_Zlh41hCUOOa2hHZk9f...

PS: they are just in Czech now, I plan to turn them into English, if you will be interested.
PPS: the quality is much better than google shows, you have to download it...
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Corps beating the Runner with some consistency is a pretty standard experience for new players.

Try running more often just to get the Corps to spend money (ie access R&D and HQ). Learn what ICE costs and what damage it can do to you. Make sure to keep your economy up and know when to run on remotes.

Not easy stuff to learn; here's a link to watch some YouTube teaching videos. The ones to pay attention to are a little older and labeled - Running Aggressively.

Happy Hacking!

http://www.youtube.com/feed/UCY-D55QCpmIp00pS43YdJ9Q
 
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Not to sound rude, but it seems like you all are missing some of the basic rules, which leads me to ask: have you actually read the rules?
More than once?

From what I see, all the rules questions you have asked are pretty well covered in the rulebook. Installing cards, ICE install cost, rezzing windows.
Granted, the rulebook has an outdated timing structure (need to get the FAQ and or new rulebook from FFG's site), but it still states that it doesn't cost a click to rez and that ICE install cost increases as you add more to a server.

You just can't learn to play by watching a few videos, you need to read the rules along with some videos and maybe even play a dummy game against yourself reading the rules as you go to get it down.
Then there's all the clarifications in the FAQ...
 
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Wyphy wrote:
Not to sound rude, but it seems like you all are missing some of the basic rules, which leads me to ask: have you actually read the rules?
More than once?

From what I see, all the rules questions you have asked are pretty well covered in the rulebook. Installing cards, ICE install cost, rezzing windows.
Granted, the rulebook has an outdated timing structure (need to get the FAQ and or new rulebook from FFG's site), but it still states that it doesn't cost a click to rez and that ICE install cost increases as you add more to a server.

You just can't learn to play by watching a few videos, you need to read the rules along with some videos and maybe even play a dummy game against yourself reading the rules as you go to get it down.
Then there's all the clarifications in the FAQ...


No offense taken. To be honest we also have a almost 2 year old child. so sometimes it will be weeks since we play. my child actually took a bite out of two cards and i've had to get FFG to send me new ones. so some of it was a bit of an oversight.
 
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