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As I sit here waiting for the uneventful last part of my 15 hour shift to pass, I start to wonder. Would I want to work such hours in the future and how would I juggle that with a possible family, hobbies and financial commitments? Especially with the prospects perhaps being not as bright as they would have been 10 or 15 years ago.

So here's my question In other words, do you live to work or work to live? How much is it a conscious decision and how much is it an matter of circumstances? I'm expecting a wealth of wisdom!
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Work enough to live how you want. Depending on what you do, how well you do it, and what sort of lifestyle you want, the actual amount of work will vary considerably.
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If I could get away with not working I wouldn't.
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jonnylawless wrote:
If I could get away with not working I wouldn't.


I don't think I could give it up. Even if I won the lottery, I think I'd want to do something. I might change focus to something I'd enjoy more or maybe work a little less, but I think I'd miss it. The things I do for fun are mostly fun as a relief from working. The brief periods of my adult life where I haven't had a job to go to I get incredibly bored. The first day or two is fun, playing video games all day or sitting on the patio smoking a cigar and reading a book, but after that I start getting restless.
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Money is a means by which to live your life; it's not the purpose. Work is nothing more than how one gets money and so is a means of getting a means.
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djgutierrez77 wrote:
jonnylawless wrote:
If I could get away with not working I wouldn't.


I don't think I could give it up. Even if I won the lottery, I think I'd want to do something. I might change focus to something I'd enjoy more or maybe work a little less, but I think I'd miss it. The things I do for fun are mostly fun as a relief from working. The brief periods of my adult life where I haven't had a job to go to I get incredibly bored. The first day or two is fun, playing video games all day or sitting on the patio smoking a cigar and reading a book, but after that I start getting restless.

I'd do something but something I love.
 
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max89 wrote:
As I sit here waiting for the uneventful last part of my 15 hour shift to pass, I start to wonder. Would I want to work such hours in the future and how would I juggle that with a possible family, hobbies and financial commitments? Especially with the prospects perhaps being not as bright as they would have been 10 or 15 years ago.

So here's my question In other words, do you live to work or work to live? How much is it a conscious decision and how much is it an matter of circumstances? I'm expecting a wealth of wisdom!


You can't work hours like this consistently. It will kill you.

But you can do it for a few years.

You should always save at least 20% of what you make. When you consider that you don't pay taxes on withdrawals from savings, you fund a year of retirement every three years. (and once the pile is big enough it starts to grow itself).

I think prospects will get brighter from late 2014 to 2020. I think early 2014 might be bad. After 2020, I think automation and robotics is going to get bad for humans. Still, boomer retirements will continue hot and heavy well past 2020.
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djgutierrez77 wrote:
jonnylawless wrote:
If I could get away with not working I wouldn't.


I don't think I could give it up. Even if I won the lottery, I think I'd want to do something. I might change focus to something I'd enjoy more or maybe work a little less, but I think I'd miss it. The things I do for fun are mostly fun as a relief from working. The brief periods of my adult life where I haven't had a job to go to I get incredibly bored. The first day or two is fun, playing video games all day or sitting on the patio smoking a cigar and reading a book, but after that I start getting restless.


I'm not getting restless. I do want to get a fun small business going but so far after nearly 120 days, I'm still recovering from the last job, reading lots of books (currently honor harrington series), making a lot of fresh food instead of eating out, etc.

I'm not boardgaming as much as I pictured.
 
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I work to support my family.

If I actually enjoyed it enough to do it for free, it would be called 'play'.
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It is one of the great tragedies of modern society that so many people spend half of their waking hours engaged in labor that they do not enjoy.
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maxo-texas wrote:
max89 wrote:
As I sit here waiting for the uneventful last part of my 15 hour shift to pass, I start to wonder. Would I want to work such hours in the future and how would I juggle that with a possible family, hobbies and financial commitments? Especially with the prospects perhaps being not as bright as they would have been 10 or 15 years ago.

So here's my question In other words, do you live to work or work to live? How much is it a conscious decision and how much is it an matter of circumstances? I'm expecting a wealth of wisdom!


You can't work hours like this consistently. It will kill you.

But you can do it for a few years.

You should always save at least 20% of what you make. When you consider that you don't pay taxes on withdrawals from savings, you fund a year of retirement every three years. (and once the pile is big enough it starts to grow itself).

I think prospects will get brighter from late 2014 to 2020. I think early 2014 might be bad. After 2020, I think automation and robotics is going to get bad for humans. Still, boomer retirements will continue hot and heavy well past 2020.


I definitely don't plan on doing that. I realize more and more that I value free time and to be able to now and again be able to do things outside of work/study. It might be a lousy work ethic, but I value free time over shiny things. I do realize it's hard to strike a balance due to external factors, but I think the west would do well to reappraise what is actually important.

/End of a western young man's idealistic utterings
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Osirus wrote:
It is one of the great tragedies of modern society that so many people spend half of their waking hours engaged in labor that they do not enjoy.



Ahhhhh, the good old days...

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jarredscott78 wrote:
Osirus wrote:
It is one of the great tragedies of modern society that so many people spend half of their waking hours engaged in labor that they do not enjoy.



Ahhhhh, the good old days...



At least you could enjoy it. yuk
 
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If we didn't have jobs what would we drive our cars to?
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max89 wrote:
As I sit here waiting for the uneventful last part of my 15 hour shift to pass, I start to wonder. Would I want to work such hours in the future and how would I juggle that with a possible family, hobbies and financial commitments? Especially with the prospects perhaps being not as bright as they would have been 10 or 15 years ago.

So here's my question In other words, do you live to work or work to live? How much is it a conscious decision and how much is it an matter of circumstances? I'm expecting a wealth of wisdom!


In the past, people in the US used to work 8-hour shifts, then spend nights on at home with their family and they would take two days off each week, often to go out with their friends.

Now, it's becoming frequently more common for people to work two jobs, each up to 6 hour shifts each. Usually people are working five out of every seven days, but six our of every seven is becoming common, too.

Culturally, people tend to reserve one day a week to "be themselves", whatever that means, and it usually means "Friday night" or "Sunday morning" has special significance for them either to go out with their friends or spend time with their family.

Some couples both work, and that takes a bit of the stress off, as at least then both could take an entire weekend (two days) off every week. Sometimes such couples may tend to reserve that time to do something productive in the household together, such as attend classes or get a third job -- since they can be less picky about this one, they can arrange to schedule it by time or place that allows them to still spend a little time together.

When children get involved... well, I don't know. I'm not there yet. Hopefully won't get there soon.

But it's hard. It's especially hard when you throw in ambitions of being a board game designer and novelist.
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jonnylawless wrote:
If I could get away with not working I wouldn't.


You would be surprised how easily that feeling can be reversed.
 
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I work to live. If I didn't need to work in order to provide, I wouldn't. I wouldn't miss it in the slightest.
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I've never liked my job but it's going to allow me to retire early. Pain now for future benefit.
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maxo-texas wrote:
I'm not boardgaming as much as I pictured.


THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!!!
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The trick is to do something you are really good at, pays well, and you love doing it. That is what I do.
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jarredscott78 wrote:
Osirus wrote:
It is one of the great tragedies of modern society that so many people spend half of their waking hours engaged in labor that they do not enjoy.



Ahhhhh, the good old days...
(Impoverished potato farmer image)


Technological advances should be improving our lot; given how easy it is to get food and water these days, it seems a shame that we have to work for so many hours at useless jobs.
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Do you live?
You do if you can work just enough to buy board games and play 'em!

Do you to work?
Everything you do is work. Life is work. Eating is work. Making out with a hot babe is work. Playing board games is work. It's all work, but some of it's more enjoyable than others.

Conscious decision?
Everything you do is a choice. There's red lights to run. There's green lights to wait for. Even if you don't have a choice (such as having to work), you can choose not to do so, and then you have still made a conscious decision. You can stop breathing too, but it's best to choose the easiest way to make that happen.

Matter of circumstances?
Unfortunately much of life is circumstantial. The job you do may be due to choices you made early on in life, such as not holding your breath long enough in the pool. However, there's choices to be made to change future events (provided you believe you have free will). Run that frigging red light and change it!
 
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49xjohn wrote:

The trick is to do something you are really good at, pays well, and you love doing it. That is what I do.


I'm really good at teaching and playing boardgames - anyone caring to pay me for gaming?

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max89 wrote:
As I sit here waiting for the uneventful last part of my 15 hour shift to pass, I start to wonder. Would I want to work such hours in the future and how would I juggle that with a possible family, hobbies and financial commitments? Especially with the prospects perhaps being not as bright as they would have been 10 or 15 years ago.

So here's my question In other words, do you live to work or work to live? How much is it a conscious decision and how much is it an matter of circumstances? I'm expecting a wealth of wisdom!


Although not unique in my experiences and perspective. But currently I work 13 out of 14 days at the bare minimum sometimes i work everyday. but also i work 80+ hours a week. but i don't live to work. Several years back for about 3 years i worked 7 days a week between 2 jobs like now and juggling family time and everything was difficult. but that was easily fixed. I made the wife an ex and gave them the boot. after a few weeks i was down to 1 job (the one i'm at now) and massively reduced levels of stress. Though my situation was a bit more complex than that.

As for now I work my main job as a concious decision becaue of the circumstance. I've been ramping up my second job and expanding my business to the point to where hopefully i won't need my main job and work theoretically less. even though at that point i know i will likely be working the same but doing something i enjoy.
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I used to work. At age 54, I decided I had worked enough. I am one of those fortunate enough to have an excellent pension.

Now my job consists of deciding what games to add to the collection.

This is more fun.
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