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I have been playing quite a bit of Netrunner with my 10 year old. We play almost weekly in the local league and whenever we can at home. My youngest son wants to play as well and I am not sure how to include him. He plays Summoner Wars without the special powers even though this might change as his reading is improving quickly and he plays his white aggro deck in MTG. Netrunner is defeating me though as it is a much more complex game. I thought of just picking up Infiltration to play with him instead but I decided to come here first to here the gurus. How could we play a simplified version of Netrunner? Is it even possible?
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My first idea would be: Build a deck for each side with reduced size (perhaps 25-30 cards), primarily putting in easy to understand cards. So perhaps avoid traces and link, for example. The smaller decks means there's fewer cards to know about, and most of them will be much simpler. Play to 5 agenda points and put 12-13 agenda points into the deck.

I'm not entirely sure how well this would work. Most likely you'll want to do Shaper or Criminal vs. Weyland or HB with this, though.
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Ronaldo wrote:
I have been playing quite a bit of Netrunner with my 10 year old. We play almost weekly in the local league and whenever we can at home. My youngest son wants to play as well and I am not sure how to include him. He plays Summoner Wars without the special powers even though this might change as his reading is improving quickly and he plays his white aggro deck in MTG. Netrunner is defeating me though as it is a much more complex game. I thought of just picking up Infiltration to play with him instead but I decided to come here first to here the gurus. How could we play a simplified version of Netrunner? Is it even possible?
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Pick up Infiltration regardless of what you do.
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Ronaldo wrote:
I have been playing quite a bit of Netrunner with my 10 year old. We play almost weekly in the local league and whenever we can at home. My youngest son wants to play as well and I am not sure how to include him. He plays Summoner Wars without the special powers even though this might change as his reading is improving quickly and he plays his white aggro deck in MTG. Netrunner is defeating me though as it is a much more complex game. I thought of just picking up Infiltration to play with him instead but I decided to come here first to here the gurus. How could we play a simplified version of Netrunner? Is it even possible?
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It's possible but maybe not desirable. You could treat all ice as the same type and let all breakers break any ice. Ignore more troublesome stuff (as suggested above) like trace and link, and probably damage. Run Shaper into HB and keep everything as "vanilla" as possible. Let your youngest be the runner, so he doesn't have to worry about hidden information. It won't be Netrunner, but if the goal is fun times running nets with the six year old, then mission accomplished.
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I was thinking just now:

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And, my other son or I would play NBN with high point agendas, no upgrades, no trace and easy Ice. Alternatively, no Ninja and no Sentry.
 
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If you decide to pick up Infiltration, I have a twice-played, almost new copy for sale. PM me.
 
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Ronaldo wrote:
How could we play a simplified version of Netrunner?
If you're okay with playing a more simple game, possibly inspired by the original Netrunner, I'd try out Hera & Zeus.
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Ronaldo wrote:
I have been playing quite a bit of Netrunner with my 10 year old. We play almost weekly in the local league and whenever we can at home. My youngest son wants to play as well and I am not sure how to include him. He plays Summoner Wars without the special powers even though this might change as his reading is improving quickly and he plays his white aggro deck in MTG. Netrunner is defeating me though as it is a much more complex game. I thought of just picking up Infiltration to play with him instead but I decided to come here first to here the gurus. How could we play a simplified version of Netrunner? Is it even possible?
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Pick up Infiltration regardless of what you do.


Really? The comments are lukewarm. The theme seems to be there but it is allegedly too fiddly for what it is. What do you think?
 
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Good idea!
 
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Infiltration is an excellent little game. I think you should check out the rules before you decide if you'll like it or not.
 
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My nine year old, who's extremely sharp, is still having some trouble with the game, as there's simply so many cards/interactions to understand before you can play.

So my advice: give it time, you'll be playing games for many, many years together.


 
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Absolutely. The thing is that he is the one asking to play and I was wondering if there was anything I could do rather than just turning him down.
 
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Ronaldo wrote:
Absolutely. The thing is that he is the one asking to play and I was wondering if there was anything I could do rather than just turning him down.

Invite him to play WITH you against someone else. Take your time. Explain what you are doing on each action. Maybe add some flare ("Are you ready to make a run at the big evil corp?", "Do think our defenses are good enough against that sneaky criminal?"). I mean .. I enjoy doing that as an adult. It would help him gloss over the fact he doesn't completely understand what's going on. But it will keep him interested.
And just enjoy the fact that he wants to play.
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I'm going to be the bad guy who says wait a few years to make sure he has a good solid experience that he grasps.
 
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Has he watched you play a full game yet?

My recommendation is that when you start to play against him, NEVER, make moves that aren't the best at that point, just to 'keep it even'.

Young minds are very sharp and look for patterns. If you start making sub-optimal moves, it will become even more confusing to him.

 
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I'm going to be the bad guy who says wait a few years to make sure he has a good solid experience that he grasps.


Depends on the kid. A 7-year old won a VtES tournament at Origins a few years back.
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corkysru wrote:
Ronaldo wrote:
Absolutely. The thing is that he is the one asking to play and I was wondering if there was anything I could do rather than just turning him down.

Invite him to play WITH you against someone else. Take your time. Explain what you are doing on each action. Maybe add some flare ("Are you ready to make a run at the big evil corp?", "Do think our defenses are good enough against that sneaky criminal?"). I mean .. I enjoy doing that as an adult. It would help him gloss over the fact he doesn't completely understand what's going on. But it will keep him interested.
And just enjoy the fact that he wants to play.


I'd agree with this. Introduce him to the mechanics of the game by including him in your thinking (perhaps when you play against his brother), and have him help you make decisions. The text on the card shouldn't be too difficult to read, but some of the card interactions might be difficult to see and understand (they're a bit more complex than interactions in aggro decks in MtG, as I'm sure you well know).

After that, I like the idea of using simplified decks to play against him (with him as the runner). Depending on his relationship with his older brother, maybe they could play together (with your 6 year old piloting the deck and getting to make all final decisions), using these simpler decks (or it could be a father son team.

I haven't played VtES, but I know Netrunner is a much more complex game than Magic or Pokemon or the like.

All in all, I'd be excited he wants to play!
 
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etherial wrote:
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I'm going to be the bad guy who says wait a few years to make sure he has a good solid experience that he grasps.


Depends on the kid. A 7-year old won a VtES tournament at Origins a few years back.

I'm just speaking for pedagogy where- typically- experiencing something difficult or overwhelming between the ages of 4 and 8 will result in aversion to it. It's where many adults form phobias and preferences.

Granted, I probably would have wanted to play Netrunner when I was 6 and there are exceptions to everything.
 
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Azgard12 wrote:
I'm just speaking for pedagogy where- typically- experiencing something difficult or overwhelming between the ages of 4 and 8 will result in aversion to it.


Really? Is this true even for things that aren't forced on them?

I think that if the kid couldn't understand it, they would just get frustrated and do something else.
 
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Azgard12 wrote:
I'm just speaking for pedagogy where- typically- experiencing something difficult or overwhelming between the ages of 4 and 8 will result in aversion to it.


Really? Is this true even for things that aren't forced on them?

I think that if the kid couldn't understand it, they would just get frustrated and do something else.


Pedagogy is the science of teaching people things, which includes knowledge of the general times when certain higher brain functions develop. School Boards are not known to follow Pedagogy closely.
 
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ugagamers wrote:
Get pictures!


Done. We played a very simplified version of the game And he had a very good time. Mission accomplished. I uploaded a picture, let's See if it gets approved. Thanks for the help
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Could you give a run-down of the decks and rule modifications you did?

I have a 7 year old who wants to play.
 
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Could you give a run-down of the decks and rule modifications you did?

I have a 7 year old who wants to play.


That was 2 years ago, let me try to remember.
 
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