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What do you do when you run out of meeples? We've just gotten our game(3 players) and most of the meeples went on the board as farmers. What do you when you place a tile and have no meeple to use to stake a claim?
 
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You score any completed features, and your turn ends. (See rules below.)
 
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Note that you don't have to place a meeple every turn, either.
 
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To be slightly less opaque: you need to manage your meeples, as they are a limited commodity. Placing a meeple as a farmer means you will never get to play that meeple again, and should you lock all your meeples in as farmers you never get to play meeples again.

So you always want to save some meeples for scoring in a way that will return the meeple to your supply.


 
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So, when I play a tile, do I have to place a meeple??? The only other time I played this game(which was my first time) was at Christmas time and on 2 other players were familiar with the game.
 
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sbszine wrote:
Note that you don't have to place a meeple every turn, either.
 
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You do NOT have to place a meeple everytime you place a tile. Indeed, many times you will not place a meeple on your just played tile.

The meeples are a limited commodity. The Knights, Robbers, and Priests (I think those are the correct names) are reusable through out the game. The Farmers go on the board and are not used for the rest of the game.

Farmers are a double edged sword. On one hand they can net you a lot of points, but they only score once...at the end of the game. Part of the strategy in Carcassonne is managing the balance between points gained verse meeple use.

I try and get a couple meeples involved in longer term (big point) projects like cities and lucrative Farmers. I balance those longer term meeples with a couple medium term churches, and roads. Then I keep the last couple for raiding and really short term high turnover projects.

If you are all placing Farmers are you sure you are remembering that you cannot place a meeple in direct opposition to any other meeple, even your own?

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The complete rules to Carcassonne are:

Setup: Place the start tile in the middle of the table and place all other tiles in a bag or face down within reach.

Play in a series of turns, drawing tiles blindly (from the bag/supply) until all tiles have been drawn, then proceed to final scoring (below).

Turns: Each player’s turn consists of a number of steps, in order:
(1) The player must draw one land tile and place it adjacent to at least one previously placed tile. Each feature at the edge of a tile must be continued on any adjacent tiles. (An unplayable tile is discarded and a new one is drawn.)
(2) The player may deploy one follower to the tile just placed, in a feature that does not contain any other followers.
(3) If, through the placement of the land tile, cloisters, roads or cities are completed, points (see table) are awarded to the player(s) with the most followers on each scored feature. All pieces in scored features are returned to their owners’ hands.

Final scoring: After completion of the turn in which the last tile is drawn, the game ends and all features with followers are scored; points (see table) are awarded to the player(s) with the most followers on each scored feature. (Followers can be removed as points are awarded.)

Scorning Feature: Turn / Final
Road - Per tile: 1 / 1
City - Per tile; per pennant: 2 / 1
Cloister - Per surrounding tile; for cloister tile: 1 / 1
Field - Per completed city bordering: - / 3
 
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Oh oh oh! Lets drag this in to a Carcassonne Field Scoring Controversy debate and scare him off for life!

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apotheos wrote:
Oh oh oh! Lets drag this in to a Carcassonne Field Scoring Controversy debate and scare him off for life!

There's no debate. The official rules are above. The other rules are a variant. You can use whichever you prefer. Whatever you think of latter though, they are certainly less suitable for a beginner.
 
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Farmers score 4 points per complete city, unless the rules have changed.
 
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jentinma wrote:
Farmers score 4 points per complete city, unless the rules have changed.

They changed some time ago. That was for the 1st Edition. The current (3rd Edition) rules score 3 points per completed city for the owners of the bordering fields.

Some people in North America still use the old rules.
 
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Then there are two sets of offical rules. meeple
 
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Philip Thomas wrote:
Then there are two sets of offical rules.

If you like.

Keep in mind too that the expansions assume that you are using the current rules. This has caused considerable confusion here in the past among people using the old (alternate "official") rules.


First Edition:

For each city, count the total number of farmers adjacent to the city in all adjacent fields. These farmers are said to supply the city. The player with the most farmers supplying the city earns the 4 points. It is unclear how expansions should influence scoring; players should agree amongst themselves how to do this.

(Too keep track of scoring, players may wish to consider placing a token in each scored city.)


Third Edition:

The owner(s) of each field score 3 points per completed city bordering it.

(As with all other features, you can remove followers as each field is scored.)

See: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/828560#828560
 
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Philip Thomas wrote:
Then there are two sets of offical rules. meeple


You miscounted.

There are three meeple meeple meeple sets of official rules for the original German game (Hans im Glück). Depending on the edition you bought, the scoring is different.

As far as i know, the US publisher (Rio Grande) kept the ruling of the 1st german edition.
 
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Werbaer wrote:
Philip Thomas wrote:
Then there are two sets of offical rules.

You miscounted.

I think Philip, like me, was trying to keep it simple. Yes, there are Second Edition rules too, which you could use if you wish. But I think they have the least claim to being "official" since they don't ship in any current version of the game, and they were actually abandoned* in favor of the 3rd edition rules.

*http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/821427#821427
 
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Yes, there are Second Edition rules too, which you could use if you wish. But I think they have the least clam to being "official" since they don't ship in any current version of the game.


In my experience, they are the most common rules in germany. From what i know, they are included in the large print run after Carcassonne got Spiel des Jahres.
 
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Yet the version I play, 4 points for each completed city adjacent to your field, is neither...ninja
 
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apotheos wrote:
Oh oh oh! Lets drag this in to a Carcassonne Field Scoring Controversy debate and scare him off for life!
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Philip Thomas wrote:
Yet the version I play, 4 points for each completed city adjacent to your field, is neither...ninja


It was 4 points untill the first expansions came along; then it changed to 3, I believe.
 
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HappyProle wrote:
apotheos wrote:
Oh oh oh! Lets drag this in to a Carcassonne Field Scoring Controversy debate and scare him off for life!
devil

devil Your powers of suggestion are obviously quite compelling.




Or perhaps, more appropriately,

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Gee, and here I thought this was going to be easy...
I purchased Carcassonne, C&I, and T&B in the past week.
While I did find the scoring of farms at the end a bit
confusing, I thought I had it down. After reading this
thread and a website linked off BGG, I find that not
only was I doing it incorrectly, but the rules have
changed and I may not even have the right set with the
game boxes I just purchased.

I'm a bit bothered that I may need to print a pdf
from the Web in order to have the correct set of
rules. But since none of the rules I have in my
posession (from the three boxes) seem to match
pdf's on the Web it looks like my hand is forced.

Suggestions on how to deal with this?
I am in the USA, if that matters.

thanks,
mikey.

 
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The rules you have are probably just fine; play with those. Only difference may be in scoring the farmers, so use this rule for scoring:

Aldaron wrote:
The owner(s) of each field score 3 points per completed city bordering it.


 
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Thanks for the reply. Sounds like it may be simple to comply.

In our most recent game (7th total in our lives) we scored the farms as:
(a) Find the majority holder of a field by meeples (farmers).
(b) Score the holder 4 pts for each complete city his field (farm) touches (5 w/pig).
(c) Remove the meeple(s) and pig(s) for that field.
(d) Move on to the next field and score it in the same way, taking only the meeples (and pigs) left on the board into consideration (not whether a city had already been counted for a previous farm scoring).


Does that method match any of the "real" rules in the history of the game?
And, if we change our 4 (5 w/pig) to 3 (4 w/pig) are we in compliance with the latest ruleset?

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