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Well it's been pretty well proven to me that I may as well quit with the GeekModding while I still have my sanity.

It appears no one looks at the images beyond the thumbnail on the GeekMod page. Why? Probably to get through the batch quickly for more of those precioussssss geekcents!

Most pics I turn down as blurry get approved. They look "fine" in thumbnail but anything larger and they look like these:

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic112484.jpg
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic112456.jpg
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic112290.jpg
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic112596.jpg

And why are people approving pics that are rotated to make you seasick with the newly-gross perspective? Like this one:

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic113394.jpg

Pah! A pox on all you lazy moderators
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
I've had the same experience. Blurry pictures are almost always approved (but not by me, I always click to see it expanded).

In addition, I saw a case where somebody scanned every little slip of cardboard for a game and uploaded it. Do we really need http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111867.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111866.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111865.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111864.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111862.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111861.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111860.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111859.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111858.jpg ? It seems giving each component of a game its own personal image is pretty worthless. Just one big photo of all the ships would have been plenty, but yet...every single one of those nearly-identical pictures was accepted. Oh well.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
I have to agree. soblue

After I received the results of my initial batch and discovered that...

1. Pictures like this were approved...

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic110113.jpg

That thing hurts my brain to try to look at.

...and...

2. If an author threw enough pictures into his queue, most of them would be approved regardless as to how similar they are...

...I pretty much gave up on the whole idea.

I like the concept, but I really think a trial period should have been implemented during which the "real" image-mods reviewed the decision of the unwashed-masses to see if the system worked.

Oh well.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
I didn't have the opportunity to moderate any of the images listed here, but if I had, I would have turned them down. But I've found in general that the good pics get approved and the bad ones don't.

I honestly think most reviewers are a little too strict. Oftentimes, I find myself asking if I have a good reason to turn an image down, rather than trying to come up with a good reason to approve it. I'd be curious to know if others are applying the same standard.

But not opening the image to full-size is completely inexcusable.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
I believe there is value in scanning individual components of games.

When you receive a game you purchased from eBay, purchased from the BGG Marketplace, or traded through BGG, it is nice to be able to refer to an image of components to perform a game inventory. This is especially true of games with many counters, such as the older Avalon Hill wargames.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
mangler103 wrote:
I honestly think most reviewers are a little too strict.


With all the junk that's getting approved, there's just no way people are being TOO strict. Not strict enough, by a long shot--enormous images, baby images, blurry images, and the worst yet--blurry baby images!zombie
 
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I like alot of photos. My issues arise when they are out of focus or completely useless (i.e., showing your baby or dog/cat playing the game or showing a table full of people playing the game without actually showing the game itself).

The photos should:
- provide insight to what you are getting with the purchase of ths game.
- features/flaws of the components
- artwork, artwork, artwork! Very important to me.
- Unique aspects of the game (i.e., someone customizing the game)
- Differences in new versions vs. old versions
- I also like a photo of a strategic play or move that can be shown in a picture.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
lmyrick wrote:
mangler103 wrote:
I honestly think most reviewers are a little too strict.


With all the junk that's getting approved, there's just no way people are being TOO strict. Not strict enough, by a long shot--enormous images, baby images, blurry images, and the worst yet--blurry baby images!zombie


In my experience it's much more likely for a decent image to get turned down, than for a bad image to get approved.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
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I believe there is value in scanning individual components of games.

When you receive a game you purchased from eBay, purchased from the BGG Marketplace, or traded through BGG, it is nice to be able to refer to an image of components to perform a game inventory. This is especially true of games with many counters, such as the older Avalon Hill wargames.


I agree. I've heard some moderators say they think they should decline ANY scans of counter sheets. I always look at images of counter sheets when I'm considering a game purchase. The more info, the better.

But blurry giant-size (like 3000x2000!) images of a single piece should be re-sized before being uploaded. They just don't need to be that big.

I'm afraid that the image database is just filling up with junk and will be hard to filter through to find what one is looking for.
 
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gulp The Rich little pic is mine. I started to take the photo and realized that I should probably rotate the camera to get the items framed better.

Then I had a glare from a nearby light. So I sidestepped a little bit.

I then had glare from the flash. Had to lower the camera just a little bit.

When I checked it, I hadn't rotated it yet, just was checking to make sure that it wasn't blurry. Rotated it & uploaded it. It was approved about 10 minutes later. I was surprised at the speed.

Looking at it now, I almost fall out of my chair with vertigo or something. I'll take a better pic & request that it replace this one (without gg granted)gulp

I don't think that the skewed lines in the tile floor help any at all.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
mangler103 wrote:
In my experience it's much more likely for a decent image to get turned down, than for a bad image to get approved.


I think both are happening, probably way too often. The worst of both worlds.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
lmyrick wrote:
mangler103 wrote:
In my experience it's much more likely for a decent image to get turned down, than for a bad image to get approved.


I think both are happening, probably way too often. The worst of both worlds.


I should probably restate my problem.

I do agree that people are being lazy, and not doing their due diligence looking through the items, but I think the bigger problem is people applying their own standards to the images, and not following the guidelines set up by BGG.

It's fine for rating games if you want to follow your own system, but the image moderation really requires a consistency that we're not seeing after the first two weeks.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
I think I mentioned in the original Geekmod discussion that the thumbnail view should probably go away for just these reasons.

There's no way you can reasonably judge focus from that size, and everyone should be checking focus! (But they don't)
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
I agree there are several images lately that I look at and have to say WTF!?!? Who OKed this? problem is people want that .01 GG per image so they are are hitting the approve without looking at the full version of the image or checking to see if there is something almost identical for the game already. My case on the to similar argument
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Worse part is I voted to decline the second image because I could see the first image had already been accepted, it was in the little image browser area that shows the current gallery. in fact I did not even have to flip through the gallery to see it, it was right there in full view ON PAGE 1!

Okay I feel better now that I got that out... deep breath.. happy place, happly place...
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
Wow, what amazes me is that I am here in lab, bored out of my head cuz my experiments all failed, and been moderating images left and right, and I have not seen ANY of these images cited above!!! NONE! How many damn images are we submitting to BGG every day man? Do we NEED this many images? WOW! (BTW, I find that I decline usually because of blur, crop, or glare. sometimes because I find images (arkham horror advertisements?!?!) irrelevant or too similar. BUT sometimes it takes a looong time for the large image view to come up when I click on the thumbnail, so I sometimes give up and SKIP the image...)

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1) People DO NOT have to approve to get their geekcents! I wonder if everyone realizes that if you DECLINE and everyone else declines, you get your geekcent!

2) A note on "BLUR": I sometimes approve an image with very little blur IF a) it is one of those "all the components of the game including game box" kind of large view pictures b)there is absolutely no such picture for that game 3)MOST (95%) of the large image is in focus, except maybe for the little bit in the very front 4) the image fits all other criteria well (it doesn't have glare, it is well cropped, it is properly rotated, etc)... Then, a bit of blur is OK.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
I had a few rejected for blurryness, and while even I admit they weren't perfect, they were readable, and parts of them were non-blurry. Pissed me right off. But it did make me now go back, retake the pictures, and try again.

But I agree, there are too many cases of people scanning/shooting all of the countersheets for a game and putting them up. Unless everyone gets them at the same time in the same order, the majority will get approved, as you can see that there aren't any in there yet. But then they all end up going through...
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
I think pictures of counter sheets are fine.
They are a good preview if you think about buying the game and even a nice reference once you punched your copy. It is much faster to look through the pictures of the sheets in the geek-database than sifting through the counters in the gamebox.
If they are big enough and well focused I approve them all.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
Windopaene wrote:
But I agree, there are too many cases of people scanning/shooting all of the countersheets for a game and putting them up. Unless everyone gets them at the same time in the same order, the majority will get approved, as you can see that there aren't any in there yet. But then they all end up going through...


But I WANT to see all the counter sheets. I don't want to see just the first one that happened to get approved. As I said above, I look at all the countersheet images when I'm considering a game purchase. It makes a big difference to me. I don't think counter sheets should be declined just because a DIFFERENT counter sheet from the same game has already been approved.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
I question the validity of shots and scans of the back covers of the boxes. Most of the time, the text on the back of the boxes is included in the description of the game, and even if it isn't, there are session reports, reviews, and general comments that address the game in MUCH greater depth than the blurbs on the back of the boxes.

I don't decline them, though, because I see that they get approved most of the time. I just skip them, because I don't want to be penalized against ever participating in the GeekMod program just because my votes don't match up with everyone else's.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
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I question the validity of shots and scans of the back covers of the boxes.


Here's another one that I actually appreciate. I like to look at the back cover images. For me, it's like picking up the box and reading it in a game shop. Gives me a bunch of info in one place. And I can compare it against what's listed in the geek db, as it isn't always the same info.

The qualifier here is that it needs to be a good, readable image, not some blurry shot from three feet away that makes all the text undeciperable.
 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
Has anyone 'addressed' upon the SIZE for these as well? I mean, concerning those "photos" where they
are WAY too 'big' in overall 'display', while their "subject" is just a teeny, tiny, itsy-bitsy portion of that!?! Go check out the "War of the Ring" ones to get a good 'notion' of these "affronts" eh? Also, they ought to HAVE just "Dimes" at the very least for this, for a "monetary denomination", as them "geek pennies" just don't 'make' "cents" for THIS!
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I don't have too much of a problem with getting components shots or even box shots. But its the people that have to take component shots of every single component for every single edition out there. If you really need to have a listing of all the components for a game the why not get other geeks to inventory their games and up load that.
 
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wmshub wrote:
In addition, I saw a case where somebody scanned every little slip of cardboard for a game and uploaded it. Do we really need http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111867.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111866.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111865.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111864.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111862.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111861.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111860.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111859.jpg and http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic111858.jpg ? It seems giving each component of a game its own personal image is pretty worthless. Just one big photo of all the ships would have been plenty, but yet...every single one of those nearly-identical pictures was accepted. Oh well.


Guilty!
Yes It´s me who uploaded these pics, every piece of the whole Game.
But imagine you are the poor little guy (or girl) who´s looking for this oop game and you can´t find it anywhere.
That´s the point, you can print it and play it and that´s why I do that.
By the way, look at the Railroad Tycoon and Monsters Menace America page to find some other pics, useless for you, but the (translated) cards are useful for others.
I don´t want to understand the Geek as a Forum for fine art of photography or scanning, it is at least a database from boardgamers for boardgamers.
If I can see an image with an opened gamebox and I can see what´s in this box, I dont need to see from what kind of wood the meeples are made.
If you only make 100% perfect pics......ok.
If others don´t do this ( maybe because they can´t) .......ok.
Live and let live.

What about pics with games on ugly tablecloth?
What about pics with blue starships on a blue box?

And what about:
Some people submit pics of their childs as:
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/107206
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/107203
Some pics look too similar like:
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/107204
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/107205
Some pics are very colourful ( ouch, my eyes ) like:
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/94815

But those last pics mentioned are from:
Amy D (Luminous) Author of this list




 
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Re: A pox on you lazy GeekModerators. Scurvy-ridden barnacle
lmyrick wrote:
I like to look at the back cover images. For me, it's like picking up the box and reading it in a game shop. Gives me a bunch of info in one place. And I can compare it against what's listed in the geek db, as it isn't always the same info.


This is another reason I choose "Skip" over "Decline"; I figure that for the number of them that get approved (even before the GeekMod progam came along), they must be useful to some people.
 
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f-p-p-m wrote:
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Just one big photo of all the ships would have been plenty, but yet...every single one of those nearly-identical pictures was accepted. Oh well.



That´s the point, you can print it and play it and that´s why I do that.



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