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Subject: Casino + Reverse Population Movement Snags a Win rss

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Ben Rankin
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Played my second game in two nights and my group really likes this game.
With that said, we had a strange finish that didn't quite feel right.

Player A & B both had casinos, and high incomes. A was about 13 or 14 and B had 12. The public goal for having highest income was on the table.

During the next to last turn A bumped his income up to 15, while B scored direct population points (~11). The resulting move up the score track pushed B's reputation slightly negative and he moved backwards across a red line at the end of his turn pushing his income up by 1 (now at 13).

During the last turn A made a good scoring move and B scored ~11 direct population points again moving across 3 red lines, once again forcing his reputation negative. Again, when he adjusted population for reputation he moved back across a couple of red lines and his income went up to 15. End of game.

Final scoring:
A & B both had incomes of 15, so the public highest income goal went unrewarded. If A had been able to achieve the goal, he would have won but without it he lost.

I see that we did play this correctly based on the discussion of the PR firm in this link PR Firm Question.

I also realize that this is likely a rare instance and won't affect many games. My group found it strange though and player A felt a bit robbed. The mitigation that we discussed would be to negate the rule that gives +1 income for reverse scoring movement when you have a casino, but that's a bit clumsy.

Thoughts?
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James Nathan
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benrankin wrote:


I also realize that this is likely a rare instance and won't affect many games...

Thoughts?


I do things like that on purpose. The mixture of large direct population gains on the last turns, how the subsequent crossing/uncrossing of red lines affects your incomes, and what are the public goals and my secret goal is a confluence that is key to the endgame in many instances.
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Tony Fanchi
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Sounds to me like you did everything right. It doesn't seem like a strange outcome to me personally. If Player B kept his/her reputation low on purpose to gain that bonus, then he/she played well and deserved the win. If not, then he/she got lucky. In either case, next time your group will be on the lookout for that strategy again and will be better able to react to it. And in most games (namely those that don't have highest income as a goal) the strategy will have limited usefulness.
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Nearly every game I've played has ended with line crossing shenanigans to influence goals. It's a viable mechanic, and manipulating it is a valid strategy
 
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Bill Buchanan
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good post.
 
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Any potential benefit from the goal would seem to be negated by having a negative reputation for any amount of time.

Noting wrong with this, not sure if it's a winning strategy though.
 
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Bill Buchanan
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Personally, I just take the Casino and PR Firm out of the game, problem solved and there are more interesting tiles to play with anyways.
 
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