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Just purchased the Italy expansion and had a question about the placement of "complete" tiles. The rules are pretty clear that a "complete tile" (5 of the 7 that came w/the expansion) can only be used to replace an existing tile. It seems logical that it can only be used to replace another coexisting/complex tile. Could it also be used to replace a simple tile?

The cost is the other question. The complete tile costs 7 to place (wow). That's more than double the replacement cost to upgrade a simple to complex-crossing (3).

Lets take a complete-complex-crossing tile on normal terrain for example:
So to upgrade to that complete tile, the associated costs would eventually be:
Simple 2
Upgrade it to complex-crossing 3
Upgrade that to complete 7
Total: 12

or possibly

Place complex crossing 4 (and use both tracks)
Upgrade that to complete 7
Total: 11

Is this possible?:
Simple 2
Upgrade to complete using all tracks: 7
Total: 9

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Double Dan wrote:
Just purchased the Italy expansion and had a question about the placement of "complete" tiles. The rules are pretty clear that a "complete tile" (5 of the 7 that came w/the expansion) can only be used to replace an existing tile. It seems logical that it can only be used to replace another coexisting/complex tile. Could it also be used to replace a simple tile?

The cost is the other question. The complete tile costs 7 to place (wow). That's more than double the replacement cost to upgrade a simple to complex-crossing (3).

Lets take a complete-complex-crossing tile on normal terrain for example:
So to upgrade to that complete tile, the associated costs would eventually be:
Simple 2
Upgrade it to complex-crossing 3
Upgrade that to complete 7
Total: 12

or possibly

Place complex crossing 4 (and use both tracks)
Upgrade that to complete 7
Total: 11

Is this possible?:
Simple 2
Upgrade to complete using all tracks: 7
Total: 9

Thanks!
Dan


Please look at your AoS France and Italy Expansion Set rules,
the Italy map special rules section,
the Building Track subsection,
specifically the 5th sentence.
"Complete Track tiles may only be used to replace a Complex Track tile, (the cost is $7), they may neither be initially Placed nor Redirected."

Since the rules say that "Complete Track tiles may only be used to replace a Complex Track tile", that means that Complete Track tiles may only be used to replace a Complex Track tile. A Simple Track tile is not a Complex Track tile. Since a Simple Track tile is not a Complex Track tile and the rules say that Complete Track tiles may only be used to replace a Complex Track tile, one might infer that a Complete Track tile may not replace a Simple Track tile. One would be right.



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And I hope you enjoy the expansion, Dan. Remember that France is for Beginners and Italy is for Experts!



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Thx. That Italy map looks very challenging...so narrow...looking forward to giving it a try. Though I'm no expert...so it may be awhile before I get a chance.
 
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Double Dan wrote:
Thx. That Italy map looks very challenging...so narrow...looking forward to giving it a try. Though I'm no expert...so it may be awhile before I get a chance.


Yeah, the black blocks rule makes Italy a cutthroat game, best suited for those looking for an even greater challenge in their Age of Steam games. Casual players find Italy's direct player interaction uncomfortable, daunting even, but the Italians love it.
France is much nicer and a lot of fun, perfect for introducing new folks to the game. Let me know what you think of it, when you get a chance to play it.



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