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Tom Oxley
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I got Battleground WW2 a few years ago after painting some Easy 8 figures for a friend. I found the rules to be easy to read, but with a few points that need some clarification. I started just as the company was cutting back on their website and contact, and I initially contacted them about replacement parts for some missing hand/weapon parts in a few of the packages of troops I had to work on, so it was a bit of a worry getting in to the new game system. With that in mind, I quit trying to get their figures as there are so many great WW2 miniatures in many scales available on the market. The rules were good enough to me that I was willing to take the loss of support from the company and accept the advice of other players, while looking elsewhere for figures. I like the randomness of the card-based phases, and the 'actions' give you a clear idea of who is doing what when. While some who play WW2 skirmish gaming seek to field full companies with lots of armor and dont like the level of detail that Battleground WW2 brings, I was looking for something that had the feel of the old Combat TV series. It is very possible to play out the old TV episodes, as well as movies such as The Big Red One, Kelly's Heroes, and Saving Private Ryan. The level of play invites you to name each of the figures in your element. Speical rules include Medics and heroes, which some players find to take too much time, but I find part of the interesting aspects of the game.

At the time I bought the rules, they were also becomming hard to find on the market, so I got them on Ebay. Most of the rules modules I got for it were also gotten from Ebay. The rules are once again available through several hobby shops around the country, so if your local shop doesnt carry them, ask if they will order them from their distributor. I don't hear much about their figure line coming back, but that really isnt a big problem. If you are looking for a good set of WW2 rules for playing platoon size or smaller elements, give Battleground WW2 a try. Check the associated Yahoo group (BGWW2) to get any questions answered. Watch for games being run at a game convention near you and sign up for one. If a detailed squad level game is what you are looking for, I dont think you will be disappointed.

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Tom Grant
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I had real mixed feelings about BGWWII. It was very chart-intensive, which isn't necessarily a good thing if many of the mechanics can be abstracted down to the same kinds of die rolls. It was expensive, if you got all the supplements. (Even the PDF versions were pricey.) And, if you look at the list of other WWII skirmish rules, it wasn't clearly the best.

Still, it had its charms. It was fun to play, if a bit clunky at times. I'd recommend that people shop around a bit, particularly since it may not be possible to find all the BGWWII rulebooks these days. (Their web site seems to be down, and I'm not sure how many stores still carry their stuff.)

An older list of WWII skirmish rules is at the Miniatures Page:

http://theminiaturespage.com/rules/ww2/infskirm.html
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The rules have gone through a couple of sets of hands for publishing, but are currently in distribution by Pacific Sky Games, http://www.pacificskygames.com/disindex.html. He also has some of the free downloads that were on the defunct Easy8 site, including a set of scenarios based on the movie, The Eagle Has Landed, and lists some of the stores that stock the rules.

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Aaron Gelb
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is this game miniatures only, or does it come with counters and is it playable out of the box? or is it just rules?
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Aaron Day
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The game came with some carboard cutouts (really flimsy card though) so its possible to play it out of the box. It would probably be better just to by some plastic army men instead.

One thing to keep in mind: the game was originally written for 20mm scale and all the charts and templates assumed this scale. Some of the later supplements and some printing of the rulebook changed the default scale to 28mm but didn't actually say this so some of the tank and weapon stats from some of the supplements aren't compatible with others. If your rulebook gives men 5" of movement then you've got the 28mm version. The 20mm version has a default movement of 4".

I made some tank charts for this game many years ago. Its actually pretty good but could use a new version.
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Ken Moore
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When Battleground WW2 by Easy Eights came out they had a very popular WW2 game for 20mm or 1/72 figures and vehicles in the 1990's.
Many gamers already had large collections of 20mm or 1/72 figures and
vehicles so the Battleground WW2 rules were a good value for them.

Then the "bean counters" at Easy Eights got the bright idea, "lets
screw the gamers by making them use our ugly overpriced 28mm figures".
But the gamers did not buy the ugly overpriced 28mm figures and Easy
Eights almost went bankrupt.

The Battleground WW2 rules are now available only on one website.
See:
http://www.syrhobbswargames.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Scree...
The available rules are for 25mm figures instead of 20mm figures.

The smart thing for Battleground to do would be to make the rules and
charts (clearly marked as to scale) and available in 20mm and 25mm for
all gamers.
They should also go though the rules and correct grammar and spelling
errors (there are a lot of them).
There are many references to charts on other pages but they do not give
the page number so the page numbers should be included.

To make matters worse, when you look at a Battleground chart, there is
no indication of it being a 25mm chart or a 20mm chart (all charts should be marked to indicate scale).

To make matters more confusing, there are also charts for 15mm and 54mm
but they are usually plainly marked as to what they are.

There are still gamers (such as myself) who use 20mm or 1/72 figures
and vehicles with the Battleground WW2 rules.

There are also gamers who use 28mm figures and vehicles with the
Battleground WW2 25mm rules.

The rules often show up on Ebay so they are still occasionally available.

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