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You're right in thinking it won't be enough. I'm thinking 3 sets would probably be the best compromise.

Consider 5- or 6-player games, where the "1" chips are used.

I'll admit they're fetching to look at, but you can get enough chips for less than the cost of one of these sets - good chips, no less.
 
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Bad choice of denominations as well. For most games you're likely not to need 500 or 1000 chips and more than ten 100 denomination chips. A shame they didn't make it 40 white chips and 20 red chips.
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How have I missed these? If you like the color scheme, it's exactly the same as the NexGen Pros, which are not denominated:



I vastly prefer chips without denominations. For example, 100 chips are enough to play Power Grid with five players, if you have seven denominations, but a 2-Elektro chip is vital, and denominated chips rarely include a 2-unit value.



 
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I don't know how many times I've played Power Grid without 2-Elektro denomination chips (over a dozen times, anyway).

The game works just fine without them.
 
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Fluffy James wrote:
Are there enough chips of each value in a single set to use with the majority of games?

I'd say no. I'd recommend getting no less than 2 sets at those counts.

Here's our set, which seems to work well for all games:



That's 40 of each denomination. (And I really feel that those 2s, 20s and 200s are very important.)

You could get by with 20 of each, but for many 5-player games you'd be making change a lot more than I'd be satisfied with (of course, I know I'm picky, so...).

These chips are self-made; you might have seen this recent thread about it: How I Made Some Gaming Poker Chips
 
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Fluffy James wrote:



Are there enough chips of each value in a single set to use with the majority of games?


As others of said: no. It does depend on how many players and the game itself. If you use the BGG chips, you will need at least three sets.

I have found that most games can played with:

30 - 1's
20 - 5's
20 - 10's

In general I usually use at least 20 chips in any given denomination and 30 chips if the chips are cheap enough. I set up a chip set with a 1, 5, 10 combination. The same chips can be used as thousands, millions, etc. Just choose your multiplier. Few games need a wider spread. However, games like Power Grid and Careers need a wide spread of denominations and you need to plan accordingly.

FYI. The chip itself, not the label, is a knockoff of the Dunes Commerative chip. You might like the original better and it's a little cheaper.
http://www.apachepokerchips.com/dunespokerchips.html

If you look around the Apache site, there are some other attractive chips with a variety of denominations. The Milanos, Desert Heat, Gold Rush, Rock & Roll and Bluff Canyon look good and affordable.

Hope that helps.

 
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DarrellKH wrote:
I don't know how many times I've played Power Grid without 2-Elektro denomination chips (over a dozen times, anyway).

The game works just fine without them.

I've found that fewer total chips are needed with the 2-Elektro denomination. The early part of the games is heavy in payouts that end in 4.
 
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If you look around the Apache site, ...


Something tells me I would get some funny looks if I showed up to Euro board game night carrying one of these:



"Think ya got enough chips???"
 
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I know Scott Nelson years ago did an episode on poker chips and ended up with Turf Clay as being his ideal chip. They do seem to be on the harder side to get but around $0.55 per chip cost. They had a solid color on the outer rim and denominations on them.
 
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Wow, what a bad distribution...

A useful distribution would be like:

60 white
25 red
10 green
5 black
 
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As extensively discussed here on BGG, I lot of experimentation led me to the following distribution for almost all Eurogames:

40 white $1
30 red $5
25 green $25
5 black $100
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Kursplat2 wrote:
rschmucker wrote:
If you look around the Apache site, ...


Something tells me I would get some funny looks if I showed up to Euro board game night carrying one of these:



"Think ya got enough chips???"


You can never have enough chips!

Actually that's sorta what my game closet looks like. Only much cheaper storage boxes.
 
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I have a set of Nexgen Classics (basically the generically denominated version of the BGG chip). I know denominated chips are anathema for some people, but most of my regular opponents are not poker players and the denominated chips prevent getting five "what is this worth again" questions per game. Anyway, I recommend 'em. My distribution of chips are 75 white ($1), 75 red ($5), 75 green ($25), 50 black ($100), and 25 purple ($500). More than enough for anything in my collection.

I also got the mini poker chips from Discount Poker Shop, which are perfect for when space is at a premium or I need $10 chips more than I need $500s. That distribution of chips is more than adequate for everything short of 18xx games, and can be picked up (in the States, anyway) for less than $20 including shipping.
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In my opinion, $20 chips are much better than $25 chips if you plan to play 18xx. Many token, train and terrain costs are multiples of $20.
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Personally, I like the $1, $5, $25, $100 casino progression, but I can definitely see some games where $2s or $10s would be nice.

Mathematically, you need - per player - a minimum of 1 less than enough the next higher value; eg 4 $1s per player if your next highest is $5. Adding $2s or $3s into the mix means you need fewer $1s. Adding $10s means you need fewer $5s. In practice, making change that often is a pain, but if most players pay with exact change or minimize change when they can, you can greatly reduce your need for small chips. Enough chips for each player to make the next higher value would probably be enough to only make change rarely.

With the BGG chip progression you would probably need two sets if you play any 5 or 6 player games, but one should be enough for 2-4 player games.
 
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Fluffy James wrote:
I know that cheaper sets and/or chips without values are available, but I really like the look of the BGG chips.

A single set of 100 BGG chips has the following Chip Distribution with (Value):

20 White (1)
10 Red (5)
10 Blue (10)
20 Green (25)
20 Black (100)
10 Purple (500)
10 Yellow (1000)


For most Euros: 2 sets, but it will be tight on the lower denominations.
For Euros with company treasuries: 3 sets
For 18xx or similar: 4-5 sets
 
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Mac13eth wrote:

Mathematically, you need - per player - a minimum of 1 less than enough the next higher value; eg 4 $1s per player if your next highest is $5.

This is true for most games, since the number of different money stacks you need to have is the number of players.

It is not true for 18xx, where each player and each company has a separate, non-combinable, money stack. For example, in a 5-player game of 18EU, you begin the game with 15 minor companies, each having its own money stack. Thus, you need 20 stacks. The fact that the stacks of the companies are always multiples of $5 helps, but you need a lot of chips.
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Eric Brosius wrote:

It is not true for 18xx, where each player and each company has a separate, non-combinable, money stack. For example, in a 5-player game of 18EU, you begin the game with 15 minor companies, each having its own money stack. Thus, you need 20 stacks. The fact that the stacks of the companies are always multiples of $5 helps, but you need a lot of chips.


I've never played a game like that, but it does sound interesting. I guess to generalize the mathematical minimum, replace 'player' with 'distinct stacks', but that might be variable too. It really comes down to what games the OP plays I suppose.
 
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Fluffy James wrote:
It seems that BGG needs to rework its poker set to be useful as money replacement with a large variety of boardgames.


Assuming they already have the chips in the ratios above, they'd have to recombine them into multiple types of set, or else sell each denomination separately.

I'd recommend recombining two sets of 100 chips: one set emphasising the lower denominations, one the higher. e.g.
40@$1
20@$5
20@$10
16@$25
4@$100

24@$25
36@$100
20@$500
20@$1000

Though the second set would not sell nearly as well as the first, but the first set would be a lot more useful. If they're already packaged up this would also be a problem.
 
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Fluffy James wrote:
I found I'm switching to poker chips also useful, specifically this post where you also reveal your 18XX chip distribution:

http://boardgamegeek.com/article/2350616#2350616


Extensive play of the 18xx revealed that that is not such a good distribution. Since then I've settled the following distributions as near ideal for my metrics:

Smaller 320-count set of ProGen 80s (I have two of these and they receive near constant use):

Colour Value Count Total Value BankSize
White $1 75 $75 $75
Red $5 95 $475 $550
Green $25 78 $1,950 $2,500
Black $100 50 $5,000 $7,500
Purple $500 25 $12,500 $20,000


1,100(!) count set of Sopranos (used for games like 18C2C: Manifest Destiny and 18OE: On the Rails of the Orient Express):

Colour Value Count Total Value BankSize
White $1 200 $200 $200
Red $5 250 $1,250 $1,450
Green $25 250 $6,250 $7,700
Black $100 200 $20,000 $27,700
Orange $500 100 $50,000 $77,700
Purple $2,500 100 $250,000 $327,700


The orange Sopranos were a late add as the purple Sopranos were too hard to distinguish from the black Sopranos in not-bright lighting.
 
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It looks a bit low on the 100s, and the 5s 10s and 25s will have to be traded a lot so the bank doesn't run out.

I use a 1/5/20/100/500/2000 system, using that, 1830 really wants 250-300 chips.
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I find the following distribution excellent for most 18xx (which is most of what I play):

Colour Value Count Total Value BankSize
White $1 75 $75 $75
Red $5 95 $475 $550
Green $25 78 $1,950 $2,500
Black $100 50 $5,000 $7,500
Purple $500 25 $12,500 $20,000


We run a bit short of reds in a few games (eg 18MEX), but only a bit and a little cashing up handles that. Whites and greens are near perfect -- we run close to running out in a few games, but never actually have. Everything else is fine.
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