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Demitras - 20 Life
Discard 1: Illusory Dash
Discard 2: Bloodletting Strike
ODF: Symphony of Demise

Shihai - 20 Life
Discard 1: Cheap Strike
Discard 2: Taboo Burst
ODF: Soul Channeling

oDoooSo
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I'm using the odf from war.
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Attack Triplet
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Shihai
Cards: Forbidden Dash/Soul Strike


Analysis - not for Candi's eyes... yet
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I can't do anything against Darkside Shot. If I didn't have Strike in my discard I could have tried to clash it with Flawless/Illegal Soul Strike followed by clashing Burst with Strike and finally going in for the hit with Drive.
If not for Darkside, I can handle pretty much everything else with Illegal Shot/Drive. The notable exception is Jousting Drive with an ante of 1 Crescendo Token to break the Stun Guard on Shot. In this case I would have to use Grasp to clash Drive. If I manage to do that, I win the beat.

But as Darkside is a pain, I'm going for Forbidden Dash to get into my prefered range of 2. Soul Strike is there in case I don't need to use Dash.
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Jousting Drive
Range 1
Power 1
Priority 7

SoB: Advance until adjacent to nearest opponent
BA: Advance 1 or 2 spaces
On Hit: Advance as far as possible

Analysis:
The change to Illegal made this very hard. Of course, I don't analyze all possible outcomes (which may give me a disadvantage in this game), but from my intuition based sample I couldn't find a single option that was going to help me. Illegal Shot/Drive is my anticipation (and probably my opening were I Shihai).
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Shihai:
Forbidden Dash
Range: N/A
Power: N/A
Priority: 9

This attack does not hit or deal damage.

After Activating: Move to an unoccupied space.

After Activating: Move 1, 2, or 3 spaces. If you switch sides with an opponent, that opponent does not hit or deal damage to you this beat.


Advance 2 with Dash, followed by an effective advance of 1 to end next to Demitras.

oooSDoo
 
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Beat 1

oDoooSo

Demitras - 20 Life
Discard 1: Illusory Dash
Discard 2: Bloodletting Strike
ODF: Symphony of Demise

Shihai - 20 Life
Discard 1: Cheap Strike
Discard 2: Taboo Burst
ODF: Soul Channeling



Demitras
Jousting Drive
Range: 1
Power: 1
Priority: 7

SoB: Advance until adjacent to nearest opponent
BA: Advance 1 or 2 spaces
On Hit: Advance as far as possible

Shiahi
Forbidden Dash / Soul Strike

REVEAL
Shihai:
Forbidden Dash
Range: N/A
Power: N/A
Priority: 9

This attack does not hit or deal damage.

After Activating: Move to an unoccupied space.

After Activating: Move 1, 2, or 3 spaces. If you switch sides with an opponent, that opponent does not hit or deal damage to you this beat.

START OF BEAT
Demitras advances until he stands next to Shihai.

ACTIVE PLAYER
Shihai dashes past Demitras only to appears next to him again.

REACTIVE PLAYER
Demitras darts past Shihai and doesn't even try to hit her.

END OF BEAT
None.



oDoSooo

Demitras - 20 Life - 2 Crescendo
Discard 1: Jousting Drive
Discard 2: Illusory Dash
ODF: Symphony of Demise

Shihai - 20 Life
Discard 1: Forbidden Dash
Discard 2: Cheap Strike
ODF: Soul Channeling

Next beat!
 
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Advance 2.
 
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Beat 2!

Attack Triplet
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Shihai
Cards: Illegal Grasp/Shot


Analysis - not for Candi's eyes... yet
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Annoying options:
Bloodletting Shot (Priority 7) - beaten by X+Shot (2v3 trade)
Bloodletting Shot +1 Crescendo (Priority 6) - clashed by Illegal Grasp (followed by Drive and Soul Strike ftw)
Bloodletting Burst (Priority 6) - clashed by Illegal Grasp, mandatory follow-up is Shot
Bloodletting Burst +1 Crescendo (Priority 5) - again, I need to clash with Illegal Drive/Soul Strike. Follow-up bases are Grasp and Shot (ftw!)
Vapid Grasp (Priority 7) - beaten by Illegal Shot/Soul Strike
Vapid Shot (Priority 4) - beaten by Illegal Drive
Vapid Strike (Priority 5) - beaten by Illegal Grasp

So basically I need Illegal and three bases to cover all options: Grasp, Shot, Drive.

If I exclude Drive I am vulnerable to:
Bloodletting Burst +1 Crescendo - I lose 1 life and deal no damage.
Vapid Shot - Not that bad either. It's a 3 for 2 trade.

If I exclude Grasp I am vulnerable to:
Bloodletting Shot +1 Crescendo - horrendous: -4
Bloodletting Burst - Not too bad. -1 trade
Vapid Strike - Not too bad. -1 trade

If I exclude Shot I am vulnerable to:
Bloodletting Shot - unacceptable -3 stomping

I expect him to go for exactly that Bloodletting Shot. Thus I will basically cover all options by using Illegal Grasp/Shot.
 
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This felt, yet again, like a tough beat for me. Given the size of your analysis (not because I read it, but because the spoiler block is huge!), maybe it was for you too.

Also, I really like the dividing line you put at the end of the beat summary

Gambling on:

Vapid Strike
Range: 0~2
Power: 3
Priority 5

Stun Guard 5
On Hit: If the opponent has priority 3 or less, he is stunned.
 
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I like when you can see that state of the beat at the beginning and at the end. That way you don't need to look at former ones to search for errors.
Anyway, I'll be posting beat 2 now.
 
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A beat that you win! :S

I can't for the life of me figure out why I never considered Vapid Grasp either.
 
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Beat 2

oDoSooo

Demitras - 20 Life - 2 Crescendo
Discard 1: Jousting Drive
Discard 2: Illusory Dash
ODF: Symphony of Demise

Shihai - 20 Life
Discard 1: Forbidden Dash
Discard 2: Cheap Strike
ODF: Soul Channeling



Demitras
Vapid Strike
Range: 1-2
Power: 3
Priority 5

Stun Guard 5
On Hit: If the opponent has priority 3 or less, he is stunned.

Shiahi
Illegal Grasp / Shot

REVEAL
Shihai:
Illegal Grasp
Range: 1-2
Power: 1
Priority: 6

Start of Beat: You may lose 1 life and retreat 1 space.
On Hit: Move the opponent 1 space.

START OF BEAT
Shihai holds her ground. (Shihai does not retreat.)

ACTIVE PLAYER
Shihai grabs Demitras and throws him away. (Shihai hits and pushes Demitras 1 space. Demitras loses a Cresendo Token.)

REACTIVE PLAYER
Demitras was prepared for impact, but the throw pushed him too far away to be able to hit Shihai. (Demitras misses.)

END OF BEAT
None.



DooSooo

Demitras - 19 Life - 1 Crescendo
Discard 1: Vapid Strike
Discard 2: Jousting Drive
ODF: Symphony of Demise

Shihai - 20 Life
Discard 1: Illegal Grasp
Discard 2: Forbidden Dash
ODF: Soul Channeling

Next beat!
 
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Candi wrote:
A beat that you win! :S

I can't for the life of me figure out why I never considered Vapid Grasp either.

Vapid Grasp would have lost as well.
I take Shot and retreat Start of Beat.

Bloodletting Shot was the way to go! At least that is a pretty safe choice.
You would have won with Bloodletting Burst +1 Crescendo and Vapid Shot. But both of them have their risks: Illegal Drive and Flawless Drive respectively.

In terms of decisions this beat was fairly straightforward for me. I simply picked the options that cover everything except for 2 situations in which I lose 1 life more than you without you building up more tokens.

On the other hand my strongest Style against Demitras is down now. I'll have to see how it affects this beat.
 
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Those things I anticipated.

Vapid Grasp would have at least got 1 life out of you
 
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Candi wrote:
Those things I anticipated.

Vapid Grasp would have at least got 1 life out of you

At the cost of 2.
So not really a difference here. And you lose your token anyway.
 
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Beat 3!

Attack Triplet
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Shihai
Cards: Cheap Burst/Shot


Analysis - not for Candi's eyes... yet
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With this I will trade at least evenly.
Demitras has only Burst and Shot to deal damage. I can handle both. If he decides to use Dash then I will stand my ground and win the beat through Cheap.
Other than that we will either both slug each other or Demitras spends a token and I use Burst to dodge it. It is important to have Burst available next beat, so I can't afford to waste it now.
 
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Illusory Dash
Priority: 11
 
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Cheap Shot
Range: 1-4
Power: 4
Priority: 2

Stun Guard 2
On Hit: Lose 1 life.
End of Beat: If Shihai did not deal damage this beat, deal 1 damage to the nearest opponent.

I'm currently on my phone. Could you post the beat? Otherwise I'll do it when I come home.
 
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Beat 3

DooSooo

Demitras - 19 Life - 1 Crescendo
Discard 1: Vapid Strike
Discard 2: Jousting Drive
ODF: Symphony of Demise

Shihai - 20 Life
Discard 1: Illegal Grasp
Discard 2: Forbidden Dash
ODF: Soul Channeling



Demitras
Illusory Dash
Priority: 11

Shiahi
Cheap Burst / Shot

REVEAL
Shihai:
Cheap Shot
Range: 1-4
Power: 4
Priority: 2

Stun Guard 2
On Hit: Lose 1 life.
End of Beat: If Shihai did not deal damage this beat, deal 1 damage to the nearest opponent.

START OF BEAT
None.

ACTIVE PLAYER
Demitras dashes over Shihai, evading her shot.

REACTIVE PLAYER
Shihai misses.

END OF BEAT
Demitras takes 1 damage from Cheap!



oooSDoo

Demitras - 18 Life - 1 Crescendo
Discard 1: Illusory Dash
Discard 2: Vapid Strike
ODF: Symphony of Demise

Shihai - 20 Life
Discard 1: Cheap Shot
Discard 2: Illegal Grasp
ODF: Soul Channeling

Next beat!
 
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Beat 4!

Attack Triplet
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Shihai
Cards: Taboo Burst/Drive


Analysis - not for Candi's eyes... yet
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Everything ist accounted for. I will at least trade evenly again and I will get Illegal back. Yay!
Taboo stun guard is enough with the current discards.
I need Drive against Burst play and Burst against Darkside Grasp.
Demitras on one token is pretty managable in range 1.
 
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Bloodletting Drive
Ante: Crescendo
Range: 1
Power: 3
Priority: 7

This attack ignores soak
BA: Advance 1 or 2 spaces
On Hit: Gain 1 life
 
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Taboo Drive
Range: 1
Power: 3
Priority: 4

Stun Guard 3
You win priority ties.
Before Activating: Advance 1 or 2 spaces.
 
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I'll advance 1 after you do the same.

Muhaha Demitras without tokens!
 
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Beat 4

oooSDoo

Demitras - 18 Life - 1 Crescendo
Discard 1: Illusory Dash
Discard 2: Vapid Strike
ODF: Symphony of Demise

Shihai - 20 Life
Discard 1: Cheap Shot
Discard 2: Illegal Grasp
ODF: Soul Channeling



Demitras
Bloodletting Drive
Ante: Crescendo
Range: 1
Power: 3
Priority: 7

This attack ignores soak
BA: Advance 1 or 2 spaces
On Hit: Gain 1 life

Shiahi
Taboo Drive/Burst

REVEAL
Shihai:
Taboo Drive
Range: 1
Power: 3
Priority: 4

Stun Guard 3
You win priority ties.
Before Activating: Advance 1 or 2 spaces.

START OF BEAT
None.

ACTIVE PLAYER
Demitras advances 1 over Shihai and slams her for 3 damage, gaining 1 Crescendo and 1 life.

REACTIVE PLAYER
Shihai advances 1 over Demitras and punts him back for 3 damage, making him lose that token.

END OF BEAT
Shihai loses 1 life.



oSDoooo

Demitras - 16 Life
Discard 1: Bloodletting Drive
Discard 2: Illusory Dash
ODF: Symphony of Demise

Shihai - 16 Life
Discard 1: Taboo Drive
Discard 2: Cheap Shot
ODF: Soul Channeling

Next beat!
 
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Beat 5!

Attack Triplet
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Shihai
Cards: Flawless Burst/Dash


Analysis - not for Candi's eyes... yet
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Unclashable Dash! I can evade Deathblow! Plus I can set myself up for a better next beat in range 2 from Demitras. I don't need Burst right now. So I can try to get some damage in without getting hit.
But I expect to see Vapid Grasp or Darkside play.
 
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