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Joe F.
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Pretty much what the title says, will Rio Grande make the Deception expansion for this nice little game? Anyone have inside info...
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Yeah, I'd love to see more for this game.
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I have a lot more up my sleeve for Arctic Scavengers beyond what you have seen in HQ. In Deception, several elements you see in HQ are expanded, but bluffing is also made to be truly viable (i.e. ability to win something in a Skirmish WITHOUT any FIGHT score) and the ability to spy (other people's buildings, cards committed to the skirmish, top of the JY, etc.), and the ability to attack other player's buildings. More mercs, more buildings, more gangs, etc. Additionally, new Contested Resources are introduced to expand the overall gameplay possibilities.

As for Rio's willingness to continue to support the AS platform, I can't speak to that. I don't hear much from Jay. I plan on giving it another month or so and then approach Rio on the possibility of doing Deception. If I don't get a favorable answer, then I will take the pulse of the community on kickstarting Deception instead.

Thanks so much for the interest and support.

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Thanks for the info, sounds like great stuff!

I hope Rio is willing to support the game. It took them so very long to get it out in the first place so no idea if they have their heart in it or not.

Good to hear you still own the property so you can do the expansions yourself if need be.
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Look for it in about 1 2 3 4 years!

I hope they do. And I hope it's soonish.
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I'd certainly back a kickstarter campaign. I remember I tried to get the game after the first edition went out of print. I felt like I kept coming back to these boards every few months for a period of a few years waiting to get my hands on the game.
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I'd be happy to support a KS project for this as well.
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I'd certainly back a kickstarter campaign. I remember I tried to get the game after the first edition went out of print. I felt like I kept coming back to these boards every few months for a period of a few years waiting to get my hands on the game.


So did you finally get it now that we can?
 
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I'd certainly back a kickstarter campaign. I remember I tried to get the game after the first edition went out of print. I felt like I kept coming back to these boards every few months for a period of a few years waiting to get my hands on the game.


So did you finally get it now that we can?


I do now own a copy. I love how different the game feels based on the number of players.
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Should have an answer for you guys in the next couple weeks.
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Hope is this is my go to deck building - so waiting on some expansions for this fantastic game.
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gabhart wrote:
Should have an answer for you guys in the next couple weeks.


I would like to add my support for Deception and say that I would back it if it went to Kickstarter.
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I wanted to voice my support for this expansion, be it through Rio or KS. If you had to do a KS would card backs and art all still match or will I require solid color sleeves?
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Bad News: Rio is not interested in doing an expansion.
Good News: I have been given permission to take the expansion to KS AND re-use existing art, templates, and work with the same artist (Martin Hoffman).

Same icons, same card backs, same card quality, same artistic style, etc. The expansion will be FULLY compatible with the Rio Grande edition.
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Beautiful. Kudos to RGG for being decent about this.
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Awesome! I'm really looking forward to it!
 
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gabhart wrote:
Bad News: Rio is not interested in doing an expansion.
Good News: I have been given permission to take the expansion to KS AND re-use existing art, templates, and work with the same artist (Martin Hoffman).

Same icons, same card backs, same card quality, same artistic style, etc. The expansion will be FULLY compatible with the Rio Grande edition.


Very excited for an expansion! Awesome news
 
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Too bad they don't want to do it but you'll be able to get it done a lot quicker taking it back in-house. Rio's loss is your gain!

Looking forward to the KS and glad you are able to make it compatible. That might be a challenge since you will be stuck using their printer to keep card stock/color compatible.

When do you expect to kick it off?
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I look forward to this expansion, as well as the possibility of it being even bigger and better with the addition of more cards! Very cool, can't wait!
 
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Too bad they don't want to do it but you'll be able to get it done a lot quicker taking it back in-house. Rio's loss is your gain!

Looking forward to the KS and glad you are able to make it compatible. That might be a challenge since you will be stuck using their printer to keep card stock/color compatible.

When do you expect to kick it off?


1) Currently waiting on estimates back from Martin Hoffmann (artist)
2) I plan to start beta testing in December / January timeframe
3) I'll be doing some manufacturer discussions and math in parallel
4) I would aim to launch KS project in March if at all possible

Depending on the answers to #1 and #3, my timelines might have to shift. I don't have insight into their work queues.
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Keep us updated, I'm in for backing the KS, just say when.
 
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If it's reasonably priced I'm in. Take your time and get it right Robert.
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charlest wrote:
If it's reasonably priced I'm in. Take your time and get it right Robert.


Thanks Charles. I'm corresponding with Hoffmann right now. We are definitely going to be sensitive to schedules and making timeline promises. We plan on setting expectations once and not having to slide on that commitment. That having been said, we are definitely kicking things off in 2014. More details to come...
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I'd be fine for unreasonably priced just so I could have the expansions!
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ScottE wrote:
I'd be fine for unreasonably priced just so I could have the expansions!

Now that's hilarious.
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