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Jacob R
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Hello all, my brother and I are new to this game and we've been learning with the physical copy of the game, but we found out that the game takes an impressively long amount of time to play... especially for new players.

We want to play a full game to explore all of the options and get the full experience, but we haven't been able to get past turn 5 in a single day, and we cannot leave the game out in the open because we have three cats that will stomp all over the board and lose pieces. I poked around and found several programs capable of playing this game, but I haven't been able to find any information on what each program is like.

My brother and I tried vassal, but we hated it. We found the UI to be abysmal (unless we were using it wrong, but I doubt it) and the multiple windows for managing the deck, discard pile, removed from game, and hand, seemed wholly unnecessary (and very much getting in the way of the board), as well as the really clunky lack of a right click menu for convenient options. We'll probably try to live with vassal if we absolutely must, but I would prefer other options.

That said, what programs do you folks suggest for new players to try out the game? I would appreciate a brief overview of the program(s), if you don't mind. Thank you for any help.
 
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DeaThShiNoBi wrote:
Hello all, my brother and I are new to this game and we've been learning with the physical copy of the game, but we found out that the game takes an impressively long amount of time to play... especially for new players.

We want to play a full game to explore all of the options and get the full experience, but we haven't been able to get past turn 5 in a single day, and we cannot leave the game out in the open because we have three cats that will stomp all over the board and lose pieces. I poked around and found several programs capable of playing this game, but I haven't been able to find any information on what each program is like.

My brother and I tried vassal, but we hated it. We found the UI to be abysmal (unless we were using it wrong, but I doubt it) and the multiple windows for managing the deck, discard pile, removed from game, and hand, seemed wholly unnecessary (and very much getting in the way of the board), as well as the really clunky lack of a right click menu for convenient options. We'll probably try to live with vassal if we absolutely must, but I would prefer other options.

That said, what programs do you folks suggest for new players to try out the game? I would appreciate a brief overview of the program(s), if you don't mind. Thank you for any help.
I'd recommend you stick with vassal. It is generally considered the 'go to' program for most electronic/online/PBEM gaming. It takes time to get used to, but once you're accustomed to it there are hundreds (if not thousands) of Modules that you can use with it to play online. Be patient, it will take time to learn, but well worth it.

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Having said that, I prefer to play Paths of Glory online via the wargameroom.com program (see here: http://www.wargameroom.com/downloads.htm )

It is fairly ugly (you can see some screenshots in my AAR here: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/512840/allenbys-assault-... ), and that turns off a lot of people. However, if you can get past that, it is a good program for learners because the program is automated. At every stage, the game brings up a 'click box' of your available options. If you can't do something you want to, it is because you are not allowed to by the rules (sometimes it can take a while to figure out why you can't do something, as the game doesn't tell you why).

Because it is automated, the game moves a lot faster. In another game I reported (also played in wgr: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/426513/illustrated-sessi...) we finished an 18 turn game in a little over three hours.

The MAIN problem with this is it is difficult to undo errors. You need to quit and reload the game to 'undo', so move carefully.
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Ah thank you very much Amnese, that's exactly the type of response I was looking for. Wargameroom sounds great and it doesn't look all that ugly. We'll give it a shot for sure. Vassal is workable, it's just a bit inconvenient. At least compared to something more intuitive (in my opinion) like OCTGN. Anyway, much appreciated for the speedy and informative reply.
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DeaThShiNoBi wrote:
Ah thank you very much Amnese, that's exactly the type of response I was looking for. Wargameroom sounds great and it doesn't look all that ugly. We'll give it a shot for sure. Vassal is workable, it's just a bit inconvenient. At least compared to something more intuitive (in my opinion) like OCTGN. Anyway, much appreciated for the speedy and informative reply.
No worries, wargameroom can also be a bit technically fiddly (in terms of connecting), feel free to PM me if you have any concerns/queries [that also goes for vassal which I've used a lot].
 
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I'd recommend you forget all about VASSAL.

For online PoG play I use ACTS ( http://acts.warhorsesim.com/login.asp ) to handle the cards and Cyberboard ( http://cyberboard.brainiac.com/download.html and http://www.gmtgames.com/cyberboard/PoG_CB_3.0.zip ) to handle the map. Cyberboard is Windows only, though.
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turbothy wrote:
I'd recommend you forget all about VASSAL.

For online PoG play I use ACTS ( http://acts.warhorsesim.com/login.asp ) to handle the cards and Cyberboard ( http://cyberboard.brainiac.com/download.html and http://www.gmtgames.com/cyberboard/PoG_CB_3.0.zip ) to handle the map. Cyberboard is Windows only, though.
What he said. All my PbeM PoG games have been using ACTS to communicate moves, play cards, and roll dice, while we used Cyberboard to store our own board on our PC. If you have the room, you could even set up the board at home and forget about Cyberboard.

Only downside of ACTS over systems like VASSAL is that on occasion one player forgets to move a piece, leading to two different versions and the confusion that goes with it.
 
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turbothy wrote:
I'd recommend you forget all about VASSAL.

For online PoG play I use ACTS ( http://acts.warhorsesim.com/login.asp ) to handle the cards and Cyberboard ( http://cyberboard.brainiac.com/download.html and http://www.gmtgames.com/cyberboard/PoG_CB_3.0.zip ) to handle the map. Cyberboard is Windows only, though.
Why forget about vassal, and then recommend Cyberboard? Vassal is certainly more user-friendly then cyberboard and ACTs [both are fairly cumbersome and time-consuming] (and for the record, I'm not anti-cyberboard, I do use it from time-to-time). At least with vassal everything is available within the one file. With cyberboard you'd be dealing with multiple files, plus the ACTs system, and it would be a whole additional learning experience (plus there are less modules available for cyberboard compared to vassal).

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Amnese wrote:
Vassal is certainly more user-friendly then cyberboard and ACTs
Let's just say opinions differ on that.
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