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Since this was criticized for not being in a new thread

Jodie Laubenberg, Texas GOP Lawmaker, Suggests Rape Kits Can Give Abortions

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"In the emergency room they have what’s called rape kits, where a woman can get cleaned out," said state Rep. Jodie Laubenberg (R), sponsor of the controversial SB 5, according to The Associated Press. "The woman had five months to make that decision, at this point we are looking at a baby that is very far along in its development."
That's also some super special word choice. Nothing really supports the integrity of your argument like referring to a rape victim getting an abortion as being "cleaned out". *shudder*



I realize politicians aren't subject matter experts on everything, but when YOU sponsor a bill...I expect more than that.
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This why a lot of people in Britain (at least in my opinion) think that U.S politics (and certain states) are completely insane, and from another dimension.
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As a liberal living in Texas and born in Texas, I apologize on behalf of us all that use our brains. This does not represent us!
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This is the abortion equivalent of the democratic legislator who said that if we ban the manufacture and sale of high capacity magazines the ones already out there will eventually run out of bullets.
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Well, it could be worse.

She could have thought that products like "Summer's Eve" can also be used to induce abortion.

Ah well. Its not that Texas has the monopoly on crazy in our government; but we're just so much bigger and awesome than the rest of y'all that we've got a wider net to cast into that ocean of crazy (round by Waco, if you're looking for directions) to find politicians to serve in the Legislature.

Perry will call another special session, this bill will be rammed through the Legislature, then a big lawsuit will come up and we'll fight it out in the courts.

Everyone wins! The lawyers get their fees, and voters on both sides of the aisle get the benefits of having crazy politicians! I mean, seriously- this woman is a GODSEND to local Democrats- gives them something to get all excited about when the odds of them blocking ANYTHING is akin to the Cubbies winning the World Series. It's great Television! I mean, Texans deserve FIRST RATE political entertainment!

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xilan wrote:
Since this was criticized for not being in a new thread

Jodie Laubenberg, Texas GOP Lawmaker, Suggests Rape Kits Can Give Abortions

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"In the emergency room they have what’s called rape kits, where a woman can get cleaned out," said state Rep. Jodie Laubenberg (R), sponsor of the controversial SB 5, according to The Associated Press. "The woman had five months to make that decision, at this point we are looking at a baby that is very far along in its development."
That's also some super special word choice. Nothing really supports the integrity of your argument like referring to a rape victim getting an abortion as being "cleaned out". *shudder*



I realize politicians aren't subject matter experts on everything, but when YOU sponsor a bill...I expect more than that.
Actually, she's not referring to the abortion as getting "cleaned out". What she is saying is far, far dumber.

She thinks a rape kit, AKA a sexual assault evidence collection kit, isn't about collecting fluids for DNA testing, etc. but is a way to wash out your hoo-ha so that you don't get pregnant. So, basically, she does thinks that products like Summer's Eve can be used to induce an abortion.
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utoption2 wrote:
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This why a lot of people in Britain (at least in my opinion) think that U.S politics (and certain states) are completely insane, and from another dimension.
Well there's a (well, one) British politician who got laid by an alien. At least we haven't had a US politico claim that yet.
Didn't Kucinich say something like that a few years back?
I dunno, I believe that one.

Have you SEEN his wife? No way any human that looks like that would sleep with him...
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As a liberal living in Texas and born in Texas, I apologize on behalf of us all that use our brains. This does not represent us!
Maybe you should 'clean out' you legislature?
 
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utoption2 wrote:
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This why a lot of people in Britain (at least in my opinion) think that U.S politics (and certain states) are completely insane, and from another dimension.
Well there's a (well, one) British politician who got laid by an alien. At least we haven't had a US politico claim that yet.
Not nearly on the same level (political) he can help determine where people can park, this woman can pass laws.
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This why a lot of people in Britain (at least in my opinion) think that U.S politics (and certain states) are completely insane, and from another dimension.
Well there's a (well, one) British politician who got laid by an alien. At least we haven't had a US politico claim that yet.
Not nearly on the same level (political) he can help determine where people can park, this woman can pass laws.
He is a Councillor... to put that in perspective there are 433 principal authorities in the UK (shorthand councils) which are made up of multiple members.

Councillors handle stuff like planning permission, assorted licences and certain provisions, with a bit of pubic money to direct when it comes to the local area - of which he would likely have only one vote.
 
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This is the abortion equivalent of the democratic legislator who said that if we ban the manufacture and sale of high capacity magazines the ones already out there will eventually run out of bullets.
Was that person the Sponsor of a Bill to ban the manufacture high capacity magazines?
 
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Also this was a response to the question of how could a women that has been raped get access to an abortion if she is not close to a clinic since if the Bill passes 37 of the 42 clinics will have to shut down. The remaining five will be in the east. Poor women in the west, south and north west of the state will be very far from one of those clinics.

Her response was that they could go to an emergency room and get an abortion via a "rape kit" as it would "clean them out" like a "d & c".

This lady is the Sponsor of the Bill...

The Democratic legislator who said that magazines would run out of bullets was probably not trying to show that gun owners would still be able to maintain the same level of access to something, but the opposite.
 
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This is one of the weakness of our system of government, unlike the judiciary, there is no comprehensive presentation of evidence to legislative voters (representatives) so they make decisions based on their own level of knowledge, and from the sounds of it it seems they either are unwilling to or unable to properly research an issue before they vote on it or even speak about it. I didn't watch the video or read any transcript, did anyone in the opposition speak to her incorrect understanding of rape kits?

EDIT: I mean, if the bill were on trial and the representatives were the jury, she would have been kicked from the jury during their initial Q/A.
 
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Laubenberg wrote:
[I]n hospital emergency rooms, we have funded what’s called rape kits that will help the woman, basically clean her out. And then hopefully that will alleviate that.
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Representative Laubenberg, you said these ladies would be able to acquire an abortion at one of the emergency rooms?
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In the emergency room they have what's called rape kits that the woman, she’ll get cleaned out, basically like a D&C, and emergency contraception, where they can also do the morning-after pill.
She has responded to Politifact and walked this back now:

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By email and telephone, we asked Laubenberg how she reached her conclusion. She didn’t immediately respond. After this article posted, however, Laubenberg said by telephone that she knows a rape kit does not include the D and C procedure and that a kit does not cause abortions. In the floor debate, Laubenberg said, she also was trying to say that a rape survivor who goes to a hospital might be offered the morning-after pill to ward off pregnancy, though she said that she is aware that the pill is not part of a rape kit.

In the debate, Laubenberg said, her point may have been muddled. "You’re trying to get your thoughts out as fast as you can," she said.
 
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This is the abortion equivalent of the democratic legislator who said that if we ban the manufacture and sale of high capacity magazines the ones already out there will eventually run out of bullets.
Was that person the Sponsor of a Bill to ban the manufacture high capacity magazines?
Actually, yes. It was Diana Degette, lead sponsor of exactly such a ban.
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Maybe she should stop speaking:

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The response: Laubenberg told North Texas talk radio host Mark Davis on Tuesday that she was momentarily confused by Democrats’ questions and misspoke. “What I was trying to say is, when a woman goes to the hospital, that they have the procedures there” to help her obtain emergency contraception and other treatment, she said. “No, rape kits do not cause an abortion.” As for the reaction, Laubenberg added: “If that’s the worst that you can complain about me, go ahead.”
Seriously? She has no problem with people complaining she's stupid, is sponsoring a bill involving issues she apparently doesn't understand, and which she admits she was not capable of communicating clearly about? It's her job! She's a failure in her job and the main reason it's going to pass isn't because of her capability so much as the overwhelming superior strength of the agenda to pass that legislation in the state...but she still has no problem with people complaining about that? That's pathetic.
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So wait. The Republicans want to shut down private clinics and push low income ablrtion seekers to hospitals allowing medicaid to pick up the tab, resulting in more government oversight into a private matter and sharing the financial burden across all the taxpayers? I don't know Which of their platform boards they are tearing up the fastest to beat this dead horse with.
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People saying stupid things does not make them stupid people.

Remember that time when you said something stupid and didn't really mean it?

Public officials are still people. They also screw up.

Yes it's their job. Remember that time you screwed up at work?
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Yes it's their job. Remember that time you screwed up at work?
Well, she should at least blame it on her coworker like I did.
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Well, she should at least blame it on her coworker like I did.
She tried:
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Jythier wrote:
People saying stupid things does not make them stupid people.

Remember that time when you said something stupid and didn't really mean it?

Public officials are still people. They also screw up.

Yes it's their job. Remember that time you screwed up at work?
She's not a child. She's a mature aged professional, putting in a terrible performance at her job - and not at all bothered by the criticism of it. There are these things called consequences and accountability, and our professional public representatives don't get exceptions. When someone screws up at their job, they've earned the criticism. It's pathetic that we have such a low expectation of our public representatives that they can be failures in their jobs, and we'll still pay them and make excuses for them.
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xilan wrote:
Jythier wrote:
People saying stupid things does not make them stupid people.

Remember that time when you said something stupid and didn't really mean it?

Public officials are still people. They also screw up.

Yes it's their job. Remember that time you screwed up at work?
She's not a child. She's a mature aged professional, putting in a terrible performance at her job - and not at all bothered by the criticism of it. There are these things called consequences and accountability, and our professional public representatives don't get exceptions. When someone screws up at their job, they've earned the criticism. It's pathetic that we have such a low expectation of our public representatives that they can be failures in their jobs, and we'll still pay them and make excuses for them.
It's not like she wrote a paper with those words in it. She stumbled over words after being asked a question. I don't know what YOU pay your legislature to do, but I pay them to make laws. Debate it a piece of that but she didn't really mean that a rape kit was an aboritificant, and she didn't refer to an abortion as being cleaned out. She switched from subject one to subject two in the middle of her statement. She stumbled over words and it ends up being a very quotable mistake, but it's not her job to avoid mistakes in speech as much as it is to avoid mistakes in legislation and/or understanding of the facts behind legislation.
 
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Also, Dana, I'm glad to hear that you haven't stumbled over your words during important times and/or have started answering a question, realized you are answering the wrong question, and changed tacts in the middle of a sentence since you were a kid. I mean, this sort of thing happens to normal fallible people like myself and this woman all the time, but because people voted for her she shouldn't be given any grace?
 
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Jythier wrote:
Debate it a piece of that but she didn't really mean that a rape kit was an aboritificant, and she didn't refer to an abortion as being cleaned out. She switched from subject one to subject two in the middle of her statement. She stumbled over words and it ends up being a very quotable mistake, but it's not her job to avoid mistakes in speech as much as it is to avoid mistakes in legislation and/or understanding of the facts behind legislation.
Hmmm. She was asked about it and she repeated it. So she made the same stumble twice? What was she referring to about being "cleaned out"? Rape Kits don't clean anything out. They are not like a "d & c" either. What were the two subjects?
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I only saw it once. Oh well, I guess she's a moron.
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