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I heard today that the 10th Circuit and a federal district court have given important wins to Hobby Lobby is its quest to avoid the efforts of Obama to drive anyone who does not agree with his reckless, counterproductive, and ill conceived policies out of business.

It sounded like the federal courts were starting to recognize that draconian penalties for having morals, exploitation of producers while vilifying them and waging endless class warfare to obscure gross incompetence (and illegal survelliance, dangerous and debunked foreign policy, and inexcusably inappropriate targeting of opposition), and so forth was not consistent with American constitutional values, religious liberty, economic freedom, and those sorts of things. And certainly not in the best interests of the American people.

Most Americans would rather actually work and see progress and have some say in their lives than chant praise for a total failure of a president who is trying to enslave them to debt, dependency, and constant spying . . .
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The ACA is based on a Republican idea that the Heritage Foundation cooked up years ago.
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Does "constitutional values" mean something?
 
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Yep, all those Americans who voted in the majority for his oppon...hold on he won.

Most America do not oppose contraception and in fact support its use. This has fuck all to do with protecting business and everytiig to do with forcing bosses moral values onto their staff.
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Hobby Lobby claims they aren't opposed to providing contraception generally, just to "Plan B"/Morning after pills, because they act as an abortifacient. But they're wrong: the pills don't expel fertilized eggs or prevent their implantation- they work by preventing ovulation and/or interfering with sperm.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/health/research/morning-af...

In reality, Barack Obama should be considered a pro-life hero, because the ACA's contraception mandates may decrease the abortion rate by up to 75%: http://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/Abstract/publishahead/P...
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/sexandgender/6501/...

On the other hand, Mitt Romney financially profited from the "abortion industry" due to Bain Capital's ownership of Stericycle: http://ncronline.org/news/politics/which-presidential-candid...

Moreover, if we agree with the logical extension of the Hobby Lobby position that contraception that works via spermicide still counts as an abortion, then Romney is a mass murderer on an epic scale because of the nocturnal emissions he has inspired in Blue Steel.
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slatersteven wrote:
Yep, all those Americans who voted in the majority for his oppon...hold on he won.

Most America do not oppose contraception and in fact support its use. This has fuck all to do with protecting business and everytiig to do with forcing bosses moral values onto their staff.


Only 20ish% of Americans voted for Obama
 
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Only 20ish% of Americans voted for Obama

That would be a better statistic if you took out the infants and others that were under 18 and unable to vote.
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And certainly not in the best interests of the American people.



Says you.
 
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Obamacare came into existence and failed already? Turn my smart phone off for one afternoon........

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theodorelogan wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Yep, all those Americans who voted in the majority for his oppon...hold on he won.

Most America do not oppose contraception and in fact support its use. This has fuck all to do with protecting business and everytiig to do with forcing bosses moral values onto their staff.


Only 20ish% of Americans voted for Obama
And even fewer opposed him. So at best all that can be said is that most Americans did not give a toss either way, not that they opposed his policies.

It was not an election issue then and it wont be in the future (at least for them).
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I heard today that the 10th Circuit and a federal district court have given important wins to Hobby Lobby is its quest to avoid the efforts of Obama to drive anyone who does not agree with his reckless, counterproductive, and ill conceived policies out of business.

It sounded like the federal courts were starting to recognize that draconian penalties for having morals, exploitation of producers while vilifying them and waging endless class warfare to obscure gross incompetence (and illegal survelliance, dangerous and debunked foreign policy, and inexcusably inappropriate targeting of opposition), and so forth was not consistent with American constitutional values, religious liberty, economic freedom, and those sorts of things. And certainly not in the best interests of the American people.

Most Americans would rather actually work and see progress and have some say in their lives than chant praise for a total failure of a president who is trying to enslave them to debt, dependency, and constant spying . . .


Welcome back!

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slatersteven wrote:
theodorelogan wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Yep, all those Americans who voted in the majority for his oppon...hold on he won.

Most America do not oppose contraception and in fact support its use. This has fuck all to do with protecting business and everytiig to do with forcing bosses moral values onto their staff.


Only 20ish% of Americans voted for Obama
And even fewer opposed him. So at best all that can be said is that most Americans did not give a toss either way, not that they opposed his policies.

It was not an election issue then and it wont be in the future (at least for them).


And the majority voted for neither. What kind of mandate to rule do you have if only 1 out of 5 of your subjects can bother to go somewhere and put a piece of paper in a box for you?

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theodorelogan wrote:
Only 20ish% of Americans voted for Obama

That would be a better statistic if you took out the infants and others that were under 18 and unable to vote.


Why? Are those people not claimed to be under the jurisdiction of the President?
 
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That doesn't negate the point that the person who claims to rule us was chosen by only 20% of the people he claims to rule. I wonder how many of that 20% would vote "Nobody" given the choice.
 
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theodorelogan wrote:
That doesn't negate the point that the person who claims to rule us was chosen by only 20% of the people he claims to rule.

Citation needed for where the President has claimed to Rule the people...

When you talk about contracts you that it wasn't relevant to discuss ones you couldn't sign yourself, such as the "social contract". But when you are talking about people that vote for the President you think it is relevant to include people that cannot vote themselves.
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...This has fuck all to do with protecting business and everytiig to do with forcing bosses moral values onto their staff.

On the other hand you think that some of a business' employees should be allowed to force their (lack of) moral values on the business' owners and all the other employees???

What about those employees who need health care but would rather not subsidize the use of potential abortifacients to get it?

Would it be such a crushing financial burden for those who want to use 'birth control' pills to go to Walmart and pay for it out of their own pockets?
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lelandpike wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
...This has fuck all to do with protecting business and everytiig to do with forcing bosses moral values onto their staff.

On the other hand you think that some of a business' employees should be allowed to force their (lack of) moral values on the business' owners and all the other employees???

What about those employees who need health care but would rather not subsidize the use of potential abortifacients to get it?

Would it be such a crushing financial burden for those who want to use 'birth control' pills to go to Walmart and pay for it out of their own pockets?


The pill has a lot of useful regulatory effects even outside of birth control. If it was prescribed for those effects and the doctors gave the patients a stern talking to 'now you be good and no sex so you don't offend people' would that be good enough for you?

On a side note. Ben and Vince so need 7 minutes in Heaven.
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theodorelogan wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
theodorelogan wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Yep, all those Americans who voted in the majority for his oppon...hold on he won.

Most America do not oppose contraception and in fact support its use. This has fuck all to do with protecting business and everytiig to do with forcing bosses moral values onto their staff.


Only 20ish% of Americans voted for Obama
And even fewer opposed him. So at best all that can be said is that most Americans did not give a toss either way, not that they opposed his policies.

It was not an election issue then and it wont be in the future (at least for them).


And the majority voted for neither. What kind of mandate to rule do you have if only 1 out of 5 of your subjects can bother to go somewhere and put a piece of paper in a box for you?

I have aid (repeatedly) here on RSP that is the major flaw with first past the post (and an even bigger flaw with the directorial college system). It does not alter the fact that very few considered Obamacarea reason to vote against Obama.
 
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lelandpike wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
...This has fuck all to do with protecting business and everytiig to do with forcing bosses moral values onto their staff.

On the other hand you think that some of a business' employees should be allowed to force their (lack of) moral values on the business' owners and all the other employees???

What about those employees who need health care but would rather not subsidize the use of potential abortifacients to get it?

Would it be such a crushing financial burden for those who want to use 'birth control' pills to go to Walmart and pay for it out of their own pockets?
Actually I agree with you, on the economic point. As I see it medical care should be about health. Therefore an employer should not have to pay for costs that are not health related (such as cosmetic surgery or Viagra). So what does this companies employee health insurance cover?
 
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On the other hand you think that some of a business' employees should be allowed to force their (lack of) moral values on the business' owners and all the other employees???

What about those employees who need health care but would rather not subsidize the use of potential abortifacients to get it?

Would it be such a crushing financial burden for those who want to use 'birth control' pills to go to Walmart and pay for it out of their own pockets?


Are employees subsidizing anything other employees spend their wages on?

Healthcare is a part of people's wages (at least, in this system). What people do with their wage is none of their employers or their fellow employees business. Whether or not that wage is paid in terms of insurance or cash.

People who use their healthcare to get birthcontrol are paying for it themselves, out of something that comes with their wage.
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On the other hand you think that some of a business' employees should be allowed to force their (lack of) moral values on the business' owners and all the other employees???

What about those employees who need health care but would rather not subsidize the use of potential abortifacients to get it?

Would it be such a crushing financial burden for those who want to use 'birth control' pills to go to Walmart and pay for it out of their own pockets?


Are employees subsidizing anything other employees spend their wages on?

Healthcare is a part of people's wages (at least, in this system). What people do with their wage is none of their employers or their fellow employees business. Whether or not that wage is paid in terms of insurance or cash.

People who use their healthcare to get birthcontrol are paying for it themselves, out of something that comes with their wage.
Never thought of it like that, but yes I suppose it is a form of wage. Maybe it would be better if the employee was just given a voucher to spend.
 
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